League 1 Draft Discussion

[Stumps]

Opening up this thread so as not to clutter the official pick thread with chatter.

Can I ask, would anybody else have taken PC before the 15th pick? Just interested as to whether I jumped the gun on him.

[Stanley]

Funnily enough i had Sav at #1, who would have guessed that :P

My rankings of those gone so far.

1- Saville
2- Anstey
3- Horvath
4- Dusty
15- Mee
24- Puter Crawford
39- Burgess

[jesuc jexus]

i had anstey at one. dunno what gloves caper is. pc is an interesting pick, but could turn out ok. wanted horvath, bloody CoT!

[Stumps]

PC was #2 in my rankings but I've just realised I made a monumental stuffup with the TO calculations. He now ends up 11th. Bugger.

[Stumps]

BTW, my corrected formulas have Sav at #3. Anstey was #5, but of course his stats were just based on guesstimates.

[gretchen]

You guys have lists? I'm just going to randomly pick fromt he players that I've actually heard of. I don't know what I'm going to do after round 5 of the draft.

[Stumps]

Lists? I have spreadsheets!

[jesuc jexus]

pm me?

[jesuc jexus]

sorry folks. stupid work comp

[gretchen]

pm me?

Beep. Perfect Score. Gold star.

[jesuc jexus]

dusty was a great pick

[Stumps]

I have Anstey pegged for .500 FG%, .740 FT%, 18.0 pts, 0.5 threes, 10.0 reb, 2.5 ast, 0.8 stl, 2.0 blk, 2.6 TO. I'm guessing the guys who've taken him at #1 are expecting more?

[gretchen]

dusty was a great pick

It was a toss up between him or Whorebath, but I didn't want to come across all Southern Joe.

[jesuc jexus]

I have Anstey pegged for .500 FG%, .740 FT%, 18.0 pts, 0.5 threes, 10.0 reb, 2.5 ast, 0.8 stl, 2.0 blk, 2.6 TO. I'm guessing the guys who've taken him at #1 are expecting more?

im expecting 20+ from him, but also, he's a C (most importantly) with good ft%, passing and 3pt range, making him invaluable.

[Stumps]

I'm not so worried about centres this season, because with Skindog's "no two centres until five rounds have passed" rule, the worst one you can end up with is somebody like Ben Melmeth.

[jesuc jexus]

i should probably read the rules. hehe, but fair enough, i was just thinking about having some extra oomph in those cats from a spot you wouldnt normally get them. couldnt be frigged with a draft list/sheet thing this year. just scouring the stats at random moments

[pilonv1]

Edit: nevermind, made my own ;)

[Latts]

Im flying by the seat of my pants.

Just going to pick based on what is on the table at the time.

the 90 second limit tomorrow night is going to be testing!!!!!

[Cousin Of Topcat]

i had anstey at one. dunno what gloves caper is. pc is an interesting pick, but could turn out ok. wanted horvath, bloody CoT!

I had Horvath last year in League 2, got him at like 29 or something stupid. 8)

PC @ 6? I would have him as my 3rd round pick, maybe Stumps thinks he's on for a breakout year without Ricky Grace around. :?

[jesuc jexus]

stumps puts together these cool fantasy value spreadsheets and calculates exactly who is worth the most statistically. this year he obviously didn't share, which is fair enough i reckon :lol:

[Lethal Vertical]

Yeah I did that last year but dont have time this year

Time to fly by the seat of my pants

[jesuc jexus]

the 90 second limit tomorrow night is going to be testing!!!!!

isn't it sunday?

[Cousin Of Topcat]

yes it's sunday, nice guard combo anok. :)

[Lethal Vertical]

He got a STEAL

[jesuc jexus]

eh, we'll see. i actually had cat and JR above him :lol:

[pilonv1]

eh, we'll see. i actually had cat and JR above him :lol:

;)

[The Glove]

You guys have lists? I'm just going to randomly pick fromt he players that I've actually heard of. I don't know what I'm going to do after round 5 of the draft.

thats exaclty what Im doing.. just picking and seeing what happens. Obviously some players have spreadsheets, pages of statisitcal info, white boards, diagrams and grapghs showing projected draftees and nominated players...

Its noce to know that i'll probably upset the apple cart somewhere

[gretchen]

Really? I'm sure I'll come dead last.

[jesuc jexus]

Its noce to know that i'll probably upset the apple cart somewhere

not with the burge you didn't

[Stumps]

I had Horvath last year in League 2, got him at like 29 or something stupid. 8)

PC @ 6? I would have him as my 3rd round pick, maybe Stumps thinks he's on for a breakout year without Ricky Grace around. :?
Well, based on last season's performances (and projections for new or returning players), PC is the 11th ranked player and Horvath is 24th. Let me explain the way rotisserie works.

With PC, you're getting somebody who's above average in FG% (.483 vs .444), FT% (.709 vs .700), rebounding (6.4 rpg vs 4.6 rpg) and scoring (15.9 ppg vs 10.5 ppg) He was 2nd in the league in steals per game, 9th in threes, 19th in blocks and 17th in assists. He was the only player in the league last season to be above average in all eight of these categories. The only place he hurts you is turnovers, where unfortunately he led the league, but when I picked him I had turnovers counting positively rather than negatively, which explains my stuffup.

Incidentally, Casey Calvary was the top-ranked current player based on last season's stats, with incredible ratings for FG% (.604), blocks (2.85) and, uncharacteristically for a centre, steals (1.95). Throw in 17.8 ppg, 7.9 rpg and an average .695 FT shooting, and you can see why he's so valuable in the rotisserie context. So I fluffed up my first round pick a little but got potentially got lucky in the second.

[Kingshood]

Calvary is also one hell of a turnover bitch however.

[The Glove]

Really? I'm sure I'll come dead last.

Im sure we'll both be relegated for CoT next season

[jesuc jexus]

i think we all will be, with CoT the only one left in div 1 :lol:

[The Glove]

:lol: :lol:

Let him and Stumps alone in Div 1.... that'll do me fine :wink:

[Stanley]

I nearly took Calvary with my last pick, but have decided to take a different route with the Centre Drafting rule.

[T-Rich]

I had Calvary last year - he had a fantastic first half of the year, then faded a bit after that. If he had kept it going, he would be worthy of a top 5 pick.

[jesuc jexus]

is leon a access from work person only?

[gretchen]

Well do we have a cut off for him? We've not even made it through two rounds yet. Skindog? When do you make the choice for him? Because this is going to lead to a really long MSN draft tomorrow, and I'd rather get some high picks out of the way, rather than only have 90 seconds to pick all but one spot on my team.

[Cousin Of Topcat]

IAW gretchen.

Leon shoul have p.m'ed Skindog some picks in case he wasn't here, like i'm sure a few of us did. :(

If he's not done by 12.21am tomorrow (12 hours after my pick), make a pick and let's move on.

[jesuc jexus]

what are you, the official rule maker now? :lol:

[Cousin Of Topcat]

Nah, Skindog has set that if you don't make a pick within 12 hours, he'll pick for you. I picked at 12.21pm today.

[gretchen]

12 hours is way too long. Especially when the MSN draft is meant to be tomorrow night (isn't it?)

[Stanley]

Its 45minutes from 12:21am where i am..

That'll do for the cut off.

NEXT.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Leon 5 has been given a PM about his responsibility to draft.

His deadline is midnight.

I shall select a player who I believe is the next best player within the draft should he not select a player. This player is TBA.

SD.

[gretchen]

Oh then if we just get the next best player available, then why do any of us bother drafting. I'll just let someone else draft the next best players for me.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Oh then if we just get the next best player available, then why do any of us bother drafting. I'll just let someone else draft the next best players for me.

Keep in mind that "the next best player" is in the eye of the beerholder...namely moi.

At this stage it's Bobby Brannen.

SD

[Cousin Of Topcat]

boooooo. I wanted baywatch. :(

[T-Rich]

Anyone thinking that I am reaching with Kendall at #21?

[Stumps]

No, he was 14th on my list.

[gretchen]

Nup. I was definitely thinking about him.

[T-Rich]

Nup. I was definitely thinking about him.

Likewise... I would have taken Abney if you hadn't.

[Cousin Of Topcat]

I think we're gonna be waiting another 12 hours for Leon, unless Skindog makes a call..... :wink:

I trust he's got Glove's proxy pick again? :)

Then i'll pick before I go to bed..... hopefully.

[gretchen]

He was a random pick. I made a kind of list (because i felt intimidated by Stumps and his spreadsheet) but he wasn't even on it. :lol:

[Cousin Of Topcat]

You didn't rate Brannen? My season last year would have been crap if it wasn't for him and Horvath.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Sorry, but I have neither a second proxy pick for either Glove or Leon.

Hence, a PM has been sent.

FWIW Leon said he would be on for TurboDraft tomorrow...

SD,

[gretchen]

I had him last year, and he crapped it up. The guy can't make a shot from 2 feet!

[Cousin Of Topcat]

Fricking Leon. :roll:

I've sent you my round 3 proxys Skindog. I might check in to see if it's my round 4 turn again tomorrow arvo about 5pm, other wise i'll see you all about 7.45pm.

[Stumps]

You didn't rate Brannen? My season last year would have been crap if it wasn't for him and Horvath.
The .428 shooting and practically zero assists, steals and blocks don't help. He gives points and rebounds but nothing else.

[Cousin Of Topcat]

Yeah, he couldn't block for shit. :(

But he could certainly board, I had an 18 rebound game or two and that was worth having him.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Russell Hinder at 23????????

[Cousin Of Topcat]

Yeah, wouldn't have been my choice, but he does average a double double. And gets a few steals, assists and blocks, free throws aint too bad for a big guy.

[gretchen]

Russell Hinder at 23????????

eat shit dude.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Ah I see, someone is not in too pleasant a mood.

I wouldn't be either if I just realised I'd drafted Russell Hinder at 23.

I don't think I'm at that level of drunk yet though... :D

[jesuc jexus]

hinder wasn't that bad a pick imho

and yeah, fricken leon indeed. will he get a proxy pick again at 11am?

[Stanley]

Tucker
Newley
Abney
Kendall
& Hinder

were down as prime candidates for my next pick.

Sting!!

[jesuc jexus]

just on the position listings, one that slipped under the radar for me is grabau at G. he split the sf possy 50/50 with boods last season. there are a few guys that played plenty of sf that are listed as guards too. newley for example. with JR and a pg occupying the guard spots i reckon he'll play the majority of his minutes at sf

[jesuc jexus]

were down as prime candidates for my next pick.
Sting!!

my list (yeah, i decided to sort of make one) has been shattered of late. damn this waiting! argh

[gretchen]

So suck on that one #55.

[Stumps]

just on the position listings, one that slipped under the radar for me is grabau at G. he split the sf possy 50/50 with boods last season. there are a few guys that played plenty of sf that are listed as guards too. newley for example. with JR and a pg occupying the guard spots i reckon he'll play the majority of his minutes at sf
Yeah, I explained that at the start of the position list -- even though their team might be playing them at a certain position this season, I tried to give them the position they'd ordinarily play on an NBL team, and most teams would have guys like Newley and Grabau at SG.

Besides, now that the Cat is in Cairns, and Stewart is not the focal point that he once was, you'd have to expect there'd be a few more minutes available to the likes of Grabau at SG rather than just SF.

[The Glove]

who are we waiting on now?
Leon the invisable man are we ??

[Stumps]

Yep. It's annoying, because I have a shortlist of one ready to go, but I'll be going out soon and won't be back until 8 (if then).

[Stanley]

PM it too someone.

Ill be online pretty much the rest of the day.

[jesuc jexus]

fucking leon! :lol:

[jesuc jexus]

phew, was worried what i'd do if black or willie were still available come my pick!

[gretchen]

I think I'm in a bit of trouble ] :lol:

[Stanley]

phew, was worried what i'd do if black or willie were still available come my pick!

:P

Not sure if im overestimating my picks so far, but on my pre-draft list i had Sav and DT in the top 7 and Bailey at 17.

Quite happy actually despite missing out on bringing Newley & Kendall back to the Shazbats for a 2nd year.

[jesuc jexus]

is latts around or is that likely to be that until tonight?

[Stanley]

Youre up anok

[rjd]

29 - hogeburger mcbradtke

What? Hoges went at 29? What a steal, anok.

He's still one of the top 3 centres in the league. Who's better? Anstey - probably. Horvath - maybe (but only in a VGM sense). Rogers - nope. Calvary - maybe (but not by much if he is).

[jesuc jexus]

i'm guessing his health has scared people off, though i think i read he was looking fit and raring to go in another thread. i think the bullets' depth will help him a lot. brannen has played plenty of 5, so he wont be ground into the ground like he was in melbourne. still, its a bit of a punt as there were 'safer' options, but he carried the inhalers to the title 2 seasons back after i drafted him at 3. his numbers might drop off a little, but he's a smart passer and with plenty of talent around him he should get plenty. hopefully he's been working on his fts too :wink:

[Skindog the Hawk]

He's an injury risk though, and also who knows how many minutes per game he'll play in Wright's system?? My guess is he'll come back to 30mpg, but if he goes down, then it's anyone's guess and then Jason Eversteyn might become a bit more valuable... :lol: 8)

SD.

[rjd]

He's a warrior. Only Joey will slow him down.

[jesuc jexus]

isn't everspoof with the peglegs?

[rjd]

What time is your MSN draft? Anyone want to invite me as an observer? I can laugh at everyone's poor selections.

Since I didn't pay any attention to the FNBL section, all my Fantasy basketball effort will be going into Sportal and NBLGM. You know, the ones with prizes. ;)

[Stanley]

isn't everspoof with the peglegs?

Yep he is.

MPG was the only thing that put me off Bradtke.

That and my new small ball policy.

[jesuc jexus]

Since I didn't pay any attention to the FNBL section, all my Fantasy basketball effort will be going into Sportal and NBLGM. You know, the ones with prizes. ;)

fnbl comes with the ultimate prize... OZHOOPS CRED AND RESPECT. just ask whatshisface that won last year. :lol:

seriously though, nothing beats a rotoleague with an actual draft. i just wish there was a bigger free-agent pool. that'd really help maintain the interest as the season drags on

[The Glove]

jesus, look at all of us loitering, waiting for a pick to come up,... :P

[Skindog the Hawk]

Since I didn't pay any attention to the FNBL section, all my Fantasy basketball effort will be going into Sportal and NBLGM. You know, the ones with prizes. ;)

fnbl comes with the ultimate prize... OZHOOPS CRED AND RESPECT. just ask whatshisface that won last year. :lol:

seriously though, nothing beats a rotoleague with an actual draft. i just wish there was a bigger free-agent pool. that'd really help maintain the interest as the season drags on

I could always run a mid-season "spill and fill" - i.e. retain 3 starters and 2 bench players and we re-draft the rest... :lol: 8)

SD.

[Latts]

where the hell is pilon???


Surely he doesnt have a life, unlike me who hasnt left the computer in about 3 hours.

[Stanley]

im off.

back for the live draft....

[The Glove]

**yawm**

You'd think Pilon being a substandard mod at best would have his act together

[jesuc jexus]

god i love these sunday arvos of internet, sport and not much else. :lol:

[pilonv1]

**yawm**

You'd think Pilon being a substandard mod at best would have his act together

Sorry, had to watch the Eels/Raiders game among other things. I'm going to take even longer now ;)

[jesuc jexus]

damn i was keen on helms!

[pilonv1]

:lol: I wasn't impresed with anyone else around, and my other three picks have been Aussies so I thought I could stretch here.

:evil: @ Gretchen for taking Hinder, I'd planned to take him at 30 regardless. Left me with only a couple of choices for centre, and I went with the more reliable one.

[T-Rich]

The turbo-draft starts in about 30 mins right? What are the MSN details? Can someone invite me:

trichard79@hotmail.com

[rjd]

fnbl comes with the ultimate prize... OZHOOPS CRED AND RESPECT. just ask whatshisface that won last year. :lol:


Last season's NBLGM champ is still waiting for respect.

[jesuc jexus]

put 'nblgm champion' in your title thingy and the babes will come running from everywhere

[gretchen]

:lol: I wasn't impresed with anyone else around, and my other three picks have been Aussies so I thought I could stretch here.

:evil: @ Gretchen for taking Hinder, I'd planned to take him at 30 regardless. Left me with only a couple of choices for centre, and I went with the more reliable one.

Oh but I'm a cock for taking him. :lol:

[pilonv1]

I wouldn't go that far ;). I got him and Crawford pretty low last year and was hoping for something similar this year :(

[gretchen]

I needed a centre ok!!