The Completely On-Topic, Abuse-Free Townsville Crocodiles General Discussion Thread

[Derek]

Hey kids! Do you like the Townsville Crocodiles? Some of us do too, but most of them spend that time bitching amongst themselves, so I've created a new thread where everything is unicorns and rainbows.

EVERY INFRACTION IN THIS THREAD WILL BE AT LEAST 2 POINTS, because there's a warning not to shitpost RIGHT HERE.

Why am I starting a new thread? Because after the last abortion of a Game Day thread degenerated into completely irrelevant drivel, it's time to put one's foot down. If I'd been nasty enough to issue penalties for every terrible, off-topic, abusive post in that thread, there would have been FIVE month-long bans, one week-long ban, and an endless torrent of abuse heading my way from people who frankly should know better but would be incredibly angry that I DARED to stop them from posting drivel on the internet.

Maybe I have to be nasty to get my point across. "In every relationship, there's a nice person and a mean person. If you want the other person to be the nice person, you have to be the mean person." - Reverend Ivan Stang

No abuse. No mod backchat. No derails to argue over the finer points of the English language, or what "maybe" might mean in a particular context, or who runs where and up what or when. Crocs discussion or bans. I'm sorry if this ruins your day, but life is perilously unfair.

So. Crocs, then.

DN

[cantremeber]

Bravo, Derek. Bravo!

BTW...any chance you posting an updated graph/spreadsheet on the y-on-y crowd #'s at the Swamp?

[The Glove]

Ban all Crocs fans for a month.

Problem solved

[curious]

Crocs have the bye and a short rest.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/01/204351_sport.html

[curious]

On the subject of Blalock's "release", the Bulletin said today "The 27-year-old has been pardoned by the club..."

[DJ Rod]

Ban all Crocs fans for a month.

Problem solved

ban all... oh wait you dont have a team... my bad :D

Will Blalock has gone back to Boston and will miss the Cairns game. I think it will be a huge loss in such a crucial game.

Is there a plane load of Taipans fans coming again? Will the Sunday deter you?

[Cussy]

On the subject of Blalock's "release", the Bulletin said today "The 27-year-old has been pardoned by the club..."
Now it makes like he has commited a crime! Why don't they just say "granted leave"?

[haggard]

cos Smythe think's he is not only the CEO, but the Governor.

It works out Okay for the Crocs though. having the buy and small break.

[Derek]

Ban all Crocs fans for a month.

Problem solved

I considered that. Or forcing only NQ Fury discussion. :)

Crowd graph will get updated when I'm home.

DN

[Hoffa]

Now it makes like he has commited a crime! Why don't they just say "granted leave"?

It's Townsville and the Crocs, that's what they do.

[cantremeber]

Now it makes like he has commited a crime! Why don't they just say "granted leave"?

Exactly. As mattic suggested in repy to my point ...it makes you feel uncomfortable....almost as if there is something else afoot - which there probably isnt.

[Cussy]

He's innasent!!

[GordonG]

Is there a plane load of Taipans fans coming again?

We've advertised it but I don't know what the bookings rate is at this stage. Should be fun again. We had two plane-loads last time, see what we get this time.

[Southern Joe]

Ban all Crocs fans for a month.

Problem solved

.. cantremember will survive the ban then ... remember,... he's only an "observer"

[Derek]

.. cantremember will survive the ban then ... remember,... he's only an "observer"

As are a bunch of people in different threads here. Nothing new :)

DN

[mattic]

Crocs Tweet:

TsvCrocs (http://twitter.com/TsvCrocs)

I uploaded a YouTube video -- One on One with Russell Hinder http://youtu.be/01rSqfnVBG4?a (http://youtu.be/01rSqfnVBG4?a)

[curious]

Crocs looking for alternative training venue.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/04/205375_sport.html

[curious]

Crocs help in the cleanup.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/09/206351_news.html

[cantremeber]

Crocs help in the cleanup.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/09/206351_news.html

I saw there was a text to the editor yesterday questioning where were the crocs in the cleanup seeing the cowboys and other southern teams had made a
point of getting their players in on it and organizing the media. Perhaps they responded to that

[cantremeber]

Seeing how poorly the boys are shooting from beyond the arc...maybe this guy needs to be recruited as either a shooter or a coach....watch it till the last half.

http://video.news.com.au/1787291751/Greatest-trick-shots-ever

Never seen anything as good as him.

[curious]

Dorsey aims to tame Crocs.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/02/10/148675_local-sport-news.html

[mattic]

Seeing how poorly the boys are shooting from beyond the arc...maybe this guy needs to be recruited as either a shooter or a coach....watch it till the last half.

http://video.news.com.au/1787291751/Greatest-trick-shots-ever

Never seen anything as good as him.
You do know that each one he makes is preceeded by 10,000 he doesn't before making the tape.
And that the repetition makes it easier to makes the small adjustments needed.

Still pretty cool as a spectacle on tape, but not massively impressive when one knows that he doesn't just waltz up and nail it.

But you'd be naive in the extreme and lacking of knowledge of the physical world to think too highly of this. Deciding to like someone doesn't immediately imbue them with god-like powers.

[cantremeber]

You do know that each one he makes is preceeded by 10,000 he doesn't before making the tape.
And that the repetition makes it easier to makes the small adjustments needed.

But still pretty cool as a spectacle on tape, but not massively impressive when one knows that he doesn't just waltz up and nail it.

Supposition and assumption abound in your reply.

The one where he throws down a three and turns and nails a 3/4 shot...amazing.

The one where he has three balls and in one motion flicks one up nails one upright, then the other then the cross bar....could take forever to get that one right - if ever.

Methinks he was able to do it pretty damn quickly

[Cussy]

"The Completely On-Topic Townsville Crocodiles General Discussion Thread "

Bravo, Derek. Bravo!

[SB.1]

the problem is that the thread title is an oxymoron

[Derek]

No, the problem is I'm not here 24/7 to watch it like a hawk.

YouTube videos not directly related to the Crocs are not on-topic.

DN

[cantremeber]

No, the problem is I'm not here 24/7 to watch it like a hawk.

YouTube videos not directly related to the Crocs are not on-topic.

DN

Mea culpa...was unaware of that rule

[Derek]

Previous post was for clarification.

DN

[Derek]

http://www.theboards.com.au/images/crocscrowds.png

Updated after 13/2.

DN

[cantremeber]

http://www.theboards.com.au/images/crocscrowds.png

Updated after 13/2.

DN

Thanx....love to know ho you get a table in the post. Admin's privileges?

[curious]

Its a image of the graph / data.

[cantremeber]

Its a image of the graph / data.

But stored on line or can you upload form you own drive?

[Derek]

It's just a screen grab- a picture of a table.

DN

[cantremeber]

It's just a screen grab- a picture of a table.

DN

Got that but when you insert an image...its a url...which means that grabbed img needs to be stored on line...is that right?

I mean I could upload a file via FTP to my web storage but is there a way to upload via the software?

[Derek]

vBulletin supports uploading images as attachments, but I don't have the kinks sorted out- so I just FTP them onto the server.

(Man, even when we're all getting along and being helpful this STILL drifts off topic! :) )

DN

[boz_novocastrian]

It would be interesting on a team by team basis to see the average attendances from this season compared to last. As well as average crowd by a particular day for any particular team in the comp, this sort of data would help a team say we prefer games on a Saturday afternoon as we get 3500 people attending rather than 2300 on a Wednesday game for example.

[Cussy]

vBulletin supports uploading images as attachments, but I don't have the kinks sorted out- so I just FTP them onto the server.

(Man, even when we're all getting along and being helpful this STILL drifts off topic! :) )

DN
Infract yourself.

[curious]

Taipans lodge official complaint against Hinder.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/02/15/149341_local-sport-news.html

"Fearne went as far as to call the act cowardly.
"It’s a coward act, it ain’t playing ball," he said

[DDFan]

Infract thyself.
* fixed

[Derek]

On topic. (no infractions, I'm not going to punish someone for asking me a question, and it's all been good-natured.)

DN

[DDFan]

On topic. (no infractions, I'm not going to punish someone for asking me a question, and it's all been good-natured.)

DNIndeed it has, & I'd miss yah. ;)

[cantremeber]

http://www.theboards.com.au/images/crocscrowds.png

I know I am focused on crowd #'s but for me its a real world measure of the success of a franchise and if they aren't paid attention to then the viability of the club is at risk

If you have a look at the #'s above - aside from a difficult to see and still emerging trend - what is obvious is that is real variability in the crowd #s'

Some games the #'s are 4500 or thereabouts and then theyll drop into the mid 3000's

The question I have is why dont they come back - particularly in a season when the team is 6 out of 7 and a real chance.

Is it the:
*quality of the game
*quality of the spectacle
*the type of BB played
*game night presentation
*cost
*personalities of the team (or lack thereof)

How about next game the promotion is if you buy a ticket get another at half price. Or some sort of incentive to get them back and back and back...?!

[Julian]

As well as average crowd by a particular day for any particular team in the comp, this sort of data would help a team say we prefer games on a Saturday afternoon as we get 3500 people attending rather than 2300 on a Wednesday game for example.
I can assist with a stat here, right off the top of my head. Average attendance for Saturday afternoon games during the last ten seasons: zero, zilch, zip, nada! Get off the crack.

[curious]

I know I am focused on crowd #'s but for me its a real world measure of the success of a franchise and if they aren't paid attention to then the viability of the club is at risk.. If you have a look at the #'s above - aside from a difficult to see and still emerging trend - what is obvious is that is real variability in the crowd #s'....
Maybe I am reading DN's data wrong but it tells me that the crowds from last season to this season are on average down 10 people this season? Shock horror Chicken Little. Are you serious? Please tell me what I am missing.

[cantremeber]

Maybe I am reading DN's data wrong but it tells me that the crowds from last season to this season are on average down 10 people this season? Shock horror Chicken Little. Are you serious? Please tell me what I am missing.

Two things....this particular question is about variability not necessarily average #'s.

But as you ask, if you look at the crowds and as I said its an emerging picture, there are 10 games to compare. Of that, 8 games are representative of either 09/10 or 10/11 crowds being better than the other (the others are equal)

Of those 8, 5 out of 8 games show last years #'s in excess of this years.

Im curious why, in a year when we are doing really very well and with a very good record and vying for a real chance - the crowd #'s dont reflect this?

And why if my #'s are right...why do the Taipans average higher crowds than we do? Particularly if as the Players Poll suggests we are one of the most knowledgable crowds in the NBL?

Maybe you're only curious by name - not by nature.........?

[mattic]

My call would be that the Crocs can't be relied upon to put in a good performance. Inconsistency will lead to people not taking the gamble of potentially seeing a pants loss.

[DDFan]

My call would be that the Crocs can't be relied upon to put in a good performance. Inconsistency will lead to people not taking the gamble of potentially seeing a pants loss.Wow, perhaps Smythe should invite Stumps to guest speaker on the affect of Sydney's crowd numbers, when the Kings were almost a given, to win their home games.

On your point though, if they're great one night, then shit the next, where should the finger be pointed?

[curious]

Two things....this particular question is about variability not necessarily average #'s.

But as you ask, if you look at the crowds and as I said its an emerging picture, there are 10 games to compare. Of that, 8 games are representative of either 09/10 or 10/11 crowds being better than the other (the others are equal)

Of those 8, 5 out of 8 games show last years #'s in excess of this years.

Im curious why, in a year when we are doing really very well and with a very good record and vying for a real chance - the crowd #'s dont reflect this?

And why if my #'s are right...why do the Taipans average higher crowds than we do? Particularly if as the Players Poll suggests we are one of the most knowledgable crowds in the NBL?

Maybe you're only curious by name - not by nature.........?
Who cares about the numbers.
You would be slitting your wrists if you lived in Sydney and followed the Kings a few seasons ago. Yet this season with a crap record they are drawing more crowds than they ever did (on average) when they were winning it all!!!
Wasnt there some weather thingie in QLD recently or did we forget that?
Who gives a fat rats arse about the vagaries of season fluctuations. You should have been doing that when they sold out for umpteen consecutive games back when and singing their praises. Oh that's right you weren't here.
The reality is that on average the crowd is down by 10 on average and the season in incomplete.!!!
You as someone who isn't a fan, shouldn't care less. Yet the negativity still persists.
You seriously think the Crocs have a real chance???
They are 2nd, that's about it.

[Stumps]

Wow, perhaps Smythe should invite Stumps to guest speaker on the affect of Sydney's crowd numbers, when the Kings were almost a given, to win their home games.

On your point though, if they're great one night, then shit the next, where should the finger be pointed?
Forget that, I'm just wondering what is wrong with the people in Townsville -- I couldn't think of anything better than the privilege of being there at just the right time to see a pants loss!

[cantremeber]

Who cares about the numbers.
You would be slitting your wrists if you lived in Sydney and followed the Kings a few seasons ago. Yet this season with a crap record they are drawing more crowds than they ever did (on average) when they were winning it all!!!
Wasnt there some weather thingie in QLD recently or did we forget that?
Who gives a fat rats arse about the vagaries of season fluctuations. You should have been doing that when they sold out for umpteen consecutive games back when and singing their praises. Oh that's right you weren't here.
The reality is that on average the crowd is down by 10 on average and the season in incomplete.!!!
You as someone who isn't a fan, shouldn't care less. Yet the negativity still persists.
You seriously think the Crocs have a real chance???
They are 2nd, that's about it.

You have a very simplistic view of things...averages dont always tell you what you need to know.

Take this hypothetical scenario....

Say, over a 10 game stretch, the crowd #'s were indeed near parity with previous years (and in so doing representative of no better than parity with an already declining trend but for now put that to one side).

And in those #'s, say 6 or 7 of those games had truly appalling attendances but in say 2 or 3 of them, sell out or near sell outs #'s occurred. The nett effect of course being the average crowd was the same...would that cause you any concern?

I wont even bother to address your comparison to Sydney. Seems to me something in my memory tells me that they actually ....folded.

[curious]

Whatever anyone says, you will always have a negative opinion on it.
Pointless really, but that's that way you see it.

Back on topic.
Blalock bounces back.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/15/207701_sport.html

[cantremeber]

Whatever anyone says, you will always have a negative opinion on it.
Pointless really, but that's that way you see it.

Back on topic.
Blalock bounces back.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/15/207701_sport.html

Wheres the negativity in that? Sort of like how - if you are to want to discuss some social issues - your labelled a racist simply by wanting air the issue.

Debate and exploration of the issues is not negativism

To avoid the issue as you did...thats what's pointless and ultimately true negativism. Sort of your version of deckchairs on the Titanic.

[Cussy]

And in those #'s, say 6 or 7 of those games had truly appalling attendances but in say 2 or 3 of them, sell out or near sell outs #'s occurred. The nett effect of course being the average crowd was the same...would that cause you any concern?


Whats to say that the yardstick figures/averages aren't filled with anomalies too?

[cantremeber]

Whats to say that the yardstick figures/averages aren't filled with anomalies too?

Good point. Perhaps that is so as well and if so then the concerns are less pressing.

Unless, of course, if those anomalies are representative of a descending and worrying trend. And if the degree of the anomalous swings are greater in your franchise than in others.

Then the issue should move back to the forefront of your list of things to understand and deal with.

Or you can curiously chose to ignore it and say "Anomaly? What anomaly?"

And thats precisely why simple measures of central tendency dont give you the true picture.

Curious, that.

[curious]

Wheres the negativity in that? Sort of like how - if you are to want to discuss some social issues - your labelled a racist simply by wanting air the issue.

Debate and exploration of the issues is not negativism

To avoid the issue as you did...thats what's pointless and ultimately true negativism. Sort of your version of deckchairs on the Titanic.

Well Chicken Little, you just worry your little head off about the serious dilemma the Crocs face with their season averages being down by 10.
Oh lets not forget the finals looming. That will blow all the averages out I would expect.
Of course you won't be praising them then, will you.

[mattic]

Forget that, I'm just wondering what is wrong with the people in Townsville -- I couldn't think of anything better than the privilege of being there at just the right time to see a pants loss!
Ha! English pants or American pants?

[cantremeber]

Well Chicken Little, you just worry your little head off about the serious dilemma the Crocs face with their season averages being down by 10.
Oh lets not forget the finals looming. That will blow all the averages out I would expect.
Of course you won't be praising them then, will you.

Curious -try and keep it to the issue and stop doing that annoying tack you have of adding a personal pt of abuse. See - i could also call you a fw, moron, tosser or fool - all of which might well be true but I dont. Its called civility.

Clearly you find it of little interest so back to whatever it is that you find interesting. Or as I have advised you - IGNORE me - please. But ya cant (or wont), can ya????????????? Think about it..........

And just for the record..., from memory, I think you'll find that a year or so ago, the Crocs had a home final and recorded their lowest attendance on record.

[DDFan]

curious, you're on record of saying that game night attendances weren't important, which I found puzzling at the time. I understand that team sponsors & corporates put shitloads into the till, & that media exposure (Poxtel, FTA, whatever) gets their brand out to a bigger audience. But surely, a sparsely populated venue, isn't going to be a drawcard for any lounge room channel-hopper.
I'm not about to doubt your wisdom, but why do teams spend money on advertising season tickets, ticket booking sites, work on ticket packaging, send out fliers, send out newsletters, or do the twitter thing, if attendance figures aren't important?
I think it's healthy that cantremeber is concerned about Croc crowd numbers, in fact I think it's vital that we should all be anxious about our home venue attendance numbers.
I'm not going to beat around the bush any more.
Robert Rose accompanied the Crocs as part of a pre-season thingy/whatever, & I pinged him that I was shit box that our 36er management (at the time) were doing SFA to fix our drop in crowds. He said that it wasn't all peaches & cream in Croc land either, numbers were down.
If any OzHos feel that contravened confidentiality, then too bad, you've asked for it.

[curious]

.... But surely, a sparsely populated venue, isn't going to be a drawcard for any lounge room channel-hopper.

That may be relevant if the Crocs got any sort of decent TV coverage.
They don't.

[Stumps]

Ha! English pants or American pants?
Both would be highly entertaining given the right wearer.

*looks at topic name*

Erm ... including I'm sure one or two of the Crocs cheerleaders. (Phew.)

[curious]

Crocs incensed by 'coward' comments jibe.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/16/207761_sport.html

[cantremeber]

Crocs incensed by 'coward' comments. jibehttp://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/16/207761_sport.html

Old news. Been done to death.

[Cussy]

Old news. Been done to death.
Had that article been posted before?

[cantremeber]

Had that article been posted before?

Probably not but as I said...been done to death.

Got bandwidth to preserve, remember?

[Cussy]

Who are you to decide whether someone can post a link to a relevant discussion in the relevant thread? The incident was raised on Monday, actioned by the league on Tuesday/Wednesday, and now a follow up comment comes on Thursday. At the very least, it's interesting to read the Crocs right of reply, and it's going to add to the next encounter.

Thanks for posting it, curious.

[cantremeber]

Who are you to decide whether someone can post a link to a relevant discussion in the relevant thread? The incident was raised on Monday, actioned by the league on Tuesday/Wednesday, and now a follow up comment comes on Thursday. At the very least, it's interesting to read the Crocs right of reply, and it's going to add to the next encounter.

Thanks for posting it, curious.

It was yesterdays paper and Im not deciding whether a person can post so pull yer head in. I'm simply making comment that it was old news (yesterdays paper) and been done to death. Do try and deal with it.

Now lets see if an endless round of debate on this can be spawned. Again.

[Cussy]

It hasn't been done to death because that article wasn't mentioned in this discussion. I didn't say you decided whether a person can post - I'm aksing why you have decided to say this relevant article on a relevant discussion shouldnt be posted. Try and deal with that.

Far out man, for someone who whinges and carries on like they're an innocent bystander and a victim in all these discussion, you sure don't do yourself any favours by acting like a complete cock when it suits you.

[DDFan]

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2011/02/15/BEST2010_STANDARD_WEB_J7523197_38920.JPG

WORM!!1!

[cantremeber]

It hasn't been done to death because that article wasn't mentioned in this discussion. I didn't say you decided whether a person can post - I'm aksing why you have decided to say this relevant article on a relevant discussion shouldnt be posted. Try and deal with that.

Far out man, for someone who whinges and carries on like they're an innocent bystander and a victim in all these discussion, you sure don't do yourself any favours by acting like a complete cock when it suits you.

And again for absolutely no reason you attempt to reduce the debate to a personal sledge.

Like I said - pull yer head in.

[Cussy]

For no reason? I described you actions perfectly. If you don't want to be labelled as such, stop acting like it.

[cantremeber]

For no reason? I described you actions perfectly. If you don't want to be labelled as such, stop acting like it.

So you mean to say that when you post "Who are you to decide whether someone can post a link to a relevant discussion in the relevant thread?"...that wasnt having a go? Nothing confrontational in that?

You really think that using that turn of phrase with most people wouldn't get a reaction of some sort?

In nay event, my response was a measured reply but in reply, you chose to descend into the "play the man" which I might add, is so so typical.

Ya need to sort yourself out.

[Cussy]

So you mean to say that when you post "Who are you to decide whether someone can post a link to a relevant discussion in the relevant thread?"...that wasnt having a go? Nothing confrontational in that?
So you mean to say that telling someone that a relevant article about a relevant discussion in the relevant thread isn't having a go? Nothing confrontational in that?

You really think that using that turn of phrase with most people wouldn't get a reaction of some sort?
You really think that using that turn of phrase with most people wouldn't get a reaction of some sort?

In nay event, my response was a measured reply but in reply, you chose to descend into the "play the man" which I might add, is so so typical.
In any event, my response was a measured reply, but in reply, you chose to act like you are completely innocent yet again, behaviour which I think can be summed up as "being a cock." Considering I had already outlined what I think you did wrong, I didn't descend in to playing the man at all.

Ya need to sort yourself out.
Likewise. Another Crocs thread ruined by your pathetic behaviour.

[cantremeber]

Another Crocs thread ruined by your pathetic behaviour.

Classic. Psychological projection is a psychological defense mechanism where a person (unconsciously) denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to other people.

Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings.

http://www.psychology.org.au/FindaPsychologist/Default.aspx

[Cussy]

Is that a self-diagnosis, or are you just conveniently ignoring that your initial comment was the starting point for this going off topic?

Why don't you tell me why you felt the need to tell someone who posted a relevant article that it was old news and had been done to death?

[cantremeber]

Is that a self-diagnosis, or are you just conveniently ignoring that your initial comment was the starting point for this going off topic?

Why don't you tell me why you felt the need to tell someone who posted a relevant article that it was old news and had been done to death?

In no way was my comment the "starting point" for an off topic detour. A totally relevant and germane to the topic. One you may chose to disagree with - be my guest

All this other stuff I guess is but it was driven by your desire to debate the wherewithal of my motivation for making a perfectly valid comment.

Give it a rest, ffs

[curious]

I posted the article because when I looked yesterday on the Bulletin website it wasn't there. I read it this mornoing and it was news to me and I posted it as I thought it would be news to to others interested in the Crocs thoughts on the matter.

If you think it's old news. Fine, but there is no reason what so ever to say it's "oldnews and been done to death" when it hasn't been even discussed here.
Cussy asked "Had that article been posted before? " You replied "Probably not but as I said...been done to death. Got bandwidth to preserve, remember?"
Shows that it is relevant and despite YOU thinking it has been done to death, others here are still interested in something that is indeed news to THEM.

Time DN did some more on topic sorting out.

[Cussy]

What is "perfectly valid" about telling someone that the article they posted is old and been done to death? I think I clearly explained that the incident is still fresh in people's minds, and that as that article hadn't been posted yet, it was the right of reply from Hinder, which is an interesting read to finalise the issue (and of course, add some spice to the next encounter). If you think that if you truly believe the discussion has been done to death, ignoring curious's link would have been the only "perfectly valid" response.

You're only reason you've given for saying what you did is to say "bandwidth" which really only shows that you can't grasp the difference between prolonging a relevant discussion, and starting new thread with ambiguous titles in a weak attempt to pretend that it has some relevance to the NBL or the Crocs. Speaking of done to death, maybe we can get a discussion on the crowd numbers going again...

[cantremeber]

What is "perfectly valid" about telling someone that the article they posted is old and been done to death? I think I clearly explained that the incident is still fresh in people's minds, and that as that article hadn't been posted yet, it was the right of reply from Hinder, which is an interesting read to finalise the issue (and of course, add some spice to the next encounter). If you think that if you truly believe the discussion has been done to death, ignoring curious's link would have been the only "perfectly valid" response.

You're only reason you've given for saying what you did is to say "bandwidth" which really only shows that you can't grasp the difference between prolonging a relevant discussion, and starting new thread with ambiguous titles in a weak attempt to pretend that it has some relevance to the NBL or the Crocs. Speaking of done to death, maybe we can get a discussion on the crowd numbers going again...

http://www.ozhoopsboards.com/showpost.php?p=270545&postcount=188

[Cussy]

Try answering the questions, Bob.

[mattic]

I don't see how one can defend:
Old news. Been done to death.
as anything but a negative dig at the post and/or the poster. Given your recent contretemps with Curious, it's a fairly safe assumption that you were playing the man.

However, giving you the massive benefit of a fairly miniscule doubt and accepting that your comment was an innocent statment of your perception/opinion of fact, a man of your intelligence would be naïve in the extreme not to have contemplated the possibility that such a comment would be seen as negative and antagonistic.

And, that's not what this thread is supposed to be about. Please keep it in check.

[cantremeber]

I don't see how one can defend:

as anything but a negative dig at the post and/or the poster. Given your recent contretemps with Curious, it's a fairly safe assumption that you were playing the man.

However, giving you the massive benefit of a fairly miniscule doubt and accepting that your comment was an innocent statment of your perception/opinion of fact, a man of your intelligence would be naïve in the extreme not to have contemplated the possibility that such a comment would be seen as negative and antagonistic.

And, that's not what this thread is supposed to be about. Please keep it in check.

Dont agree

If I had said...old article etc etc and you were silly/stupid/FITH for posting it - then I'd agree

It a perfectly valid comment and that there is real slippery slope if the poster is condemned for what he might be thinking rather for the words he uses.

[Cussy]

Considering that article hadn't been posted, how had it been done to death? What constitutes old news? Of course it was a day old but I don't think you make it your business to inform people that a link is a day old just for their info, especially not if your second comment was along the lines of "this needn't be discussed any further". And as I keep asking, why can't someone post a link to an article which is the resolution to an incident which occured about a day earlier?

[cantremeber]

Considering that article hadn't been posted, how had it been done to death? What constitutes old news? Of course it was a day old but I don't think you make it your business to inform people that a link is a day old just for their info, especially not if your second comment was along the lines of "this needn't be discussed any further". And as I keep asking, why can't someone post a link to an article which is the resolution to an incident which occured about a day earlier?

And I say post away!!! Who's gonna stop you? Derek, maybe...but aside for him - who?

But that is another issue altogether. As to whether I'm entitled to a view that it was old news and that it had been done to death and felt like posting that - I challenge you to say I dont have such a right.

Disagree all you want - thats what debate is about.

Like I said in my reply....I am no one in terms of deciding "whether someone can post a link to a relevant discussion in the relevant thread?"

Wasnt attempting to. Of course he can

Do I have to agree with the content? Absolutely not.

I'll leave it there and let you have the last word. You know you want to......

[Cussy]

Ok, so now I'll ask...why bother? What good does it do? In the on-topic, abuse free thread, suggesting that something someone else posted has no relevance is exactly how mattic desrcibed it - it's a negative dig. Now that's been clearly established, the issue I have is that you are the first to condemn others for ruining threads yet its clear as day that you are are willing participant in taking discussions off topic. At least have the balls to say you wanted to stir the pot, instead of blaming everyone else for the thread derailment. You're a coward.

Bravo, Bob. Bravo.

[DDFan]

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2011/02/15/BEST2010_STANDARD_WEB_J7523197_38920.JPG

WANKEEEEEEERS!!1!

[mattic]

Dont agree

If I had said...old article etc etc and you were silly/stupid/FITH for posting it - then I'd agree

It a perfectly valid comment and that there is real slippery slope if the poster is condemned for what he might be thinking rather for the words he uses.
The fact that you rely upon and thrive on deniability is not lost on people; and you're kidding yourself if you think it makes a difference.

[Derek]

Infractions issued, back on topic please.

For future reference, a Townsville newspaper article about Townsville's captain's conduct in a Townsville game is on topic in a Townsville thread. Posting 'old news' in response is either trolling, abusive, or back-seat moderating.

DN

[cantremeber]

Round
Day
Date
Home
Away
Broadcast time
(AEDT)

21
Thu
3/3
New Zealand
Townsville
5:30 PM

Sat
5/3
Wollongong
Townville
7:30 PM

23
Fri
18/3
Townsville
Perth
8:00 PM

25
Fri
1/4
Cairns
Townsville
8:00 PM

Well these are matches not to miss to see if the Crocs can finally deliver on their promises

There's another hugely important match against NZ in there was well but not on the tube. If they manage these fixtures reasonably well then theyre in with chance.

Without at least position 2 they really are a huge outsider

With it - maybe...but then they probably are going have to deal with NZ in NZ

[mattic]

It'll be good to catch those two away games on the box.

[mattic]

Crocs real deal, say humbled Hawks | Townsville Bulletin Sport http://t.co/OlFnXUA

The doubts and question marks over these two, and the decision to get them, are slowly being eroded; at the right time of the season.

[ziah]

Completely agree. I have always stuck on the Blalock bandwagon, and the more the season is going on, the more I hope they keep him for next year, where he will already be 100% comfortable in the system and be able to build on THIS form, not on a d-league rep and completely new environment.

Actually, aside from probably Rosell, I can't really think of how I would change the team with how its chemistry is now beginning to look

[timeforachange]

I would keep Ro, love his attitude and he is a good fit. We are 7 and 1 since his arrival.

[cantremeber]

I would keep Ro, love his attitude and he is a good fit. We are 7 and 1 since his arrival.

Cant agree. Simply not enough bang for your buck as an import.

And I might add....having seen the quality of the teams so far this year the standard, in my view, of the teams in the league...HAS TO GO UP! And hopefully they will.

So to back up next year with much of the same with the others perhaps recruiting better...its a recipe for yet another difficult, perhaps marginal under producing and disappointing season.

With LS, Will and the other boys and with a better US import - the recipe is there to take the league by the scruff of the neck.

[timeforachange]

Cant agree. Simply not enough bang for your buck as an import.

And I might add....having seen the quality of the teams so far this year the standard, in my view, of the teams in the league...HAS TO GO UP! And hopefully they will.

So to back up next year with much of the same with the others perhaps recruiting better...its a recipe for yet another difficult, perhaps marginal under producing and disappointing season.

With LS, Will and the other boys and with a better US import - the recipe is there to take the league by the scruff of the neck.


Cant agree. Simply if he had been here at the start of the season we could have been number #1, remember Gabe gave us jack all bar one game. A couple of extra wins and who knows!

He is a BLUE collar worker, the type Paul Howes would love at the AWU

[cantremeber]

Cant agree. Simply if he had been here at the start of the season we could have been number #1, remember Gabe gave us jack all bar one game. A couple of extra wins and who knows!

He is a BLUE collar worker, the type Paul Howes would love at the AWU

Things is NZ has our measure, I feel - with RE in the mix or not.

Historically, Perth has it in spades. And with Redhage going down along with Knight and Wagstaff's injuries this has clearly brought them back.

but healthy? cant see us having their measure with RE

With another frontcourt scorer to balance the perimeter game we know focus on if LS sits - wed be a totally different kettle of fish.

[Stumps]

He is a BLUE collar worker, the type Paul Howes would love at the AWU
Yes, the Nard Dog probably would love him, but only if he's getting paid more now than when he did when he was producing three times as much in his earlier career.

[mattic]

The thing with Rosell is that, since he's been back, I haven't really noticed him. You can temper that with the fact that I'm hardly likely to spot the little things and only notice the big plays and stuff; but isn't that what one's import is for?

I love his game, style and attitude, but for next season, I'd say no to Ro :-(

[Stumps]

I love his game, style and attitude, but for next season, I'd say no to Ro :-(
If this happens, Paul Howes will blame Tony Abbott.

But in all seriousness, I love it that this is the first season Ellis's FG% (41.0) has actually dropped below his FT% (43.8). Over his career, the FG% is 10 points higher.

[cantremeber]

Cant agree. Simply if he had been here at the start of the season we could have been number #1, remember Gabe gave us jack all bar one game. A couple of extra wins and who knows!

He is a BLUE collar worker, the type Paul Howes would love at the AWU

Are you a union organiser or sumptin???

[timeforachange]

Are you a union organiser or sumptin???

I have an interest in that neck of the woods. Not hardcore like Howes or Ludwig, but like to follow the progess of a few, Shorten is the one to watch.

Back to Ro, well you have your thoughts on his worth and I have mine, you know them and I will stay firm on mine. The Croc's have little success in recruiting big men, so stay with the one good big that you find.

This team is all about the workers, it's a working class team for a working class town.

[Dunkin' Dan]

Every team should have a guy like Rosell to set the standard in terms of the effort factor, and as I look down the Crocs roster I don't see anyone else who would be that guy.
(Then again, as I look down the Crocs roster I don't see Rosell either. Seriously, how lazy is your website person, Crocs?
Sounds like they need an office-based version of Rosell as well.)

These days you clearly don't need your imports to both be superstars. Heck, you don't even need to have 2 imports. But if you can use one to fill a valuable role that you can't get done with a local then I don't see that as bad GMing.
As for the bang-for-buck factor, surely Rosell isn't raking in the huge money so I'd be surprised if his bfb ratio was poor. Beats the hell out of Freeman's - that I'm sure of.

[DJ Rod]

I'm the website person and I'm not lazy!

The NBL set up player profiles as they are linked to stats...

[Dunkin' Dan]

Sorry, DJ Rod. In that case you should send off an email to NBL HQ to get their ish together (assuming you're not too lazy to send an email :p I guess you could tweet @ them)
Pretty weak for him not to be there yet, you have to admit.

[timeforachange]

Ro is stealth like! Just gets the job done, no fanfare needed. Works his butt off and does the junk yard dog stuff.

Liking Wil these days. Another blue collar dude.

[paul]

The Crocs are 7-1 since Ellis arrived, that's pretty good bang for your buck.

Maybe I am being harsh, but if you think imports have to be big impact guys and dominate you are more than a decade behind the times. Those days ended when Australia first got some depth of talent with the emergence of the Anstey, Mackinnon, Saville, Bruton generation.

Not too many teams have won championships (Sydney 03) in recent times with two dominant imports.

[mattic]

That's true, Paul, but your best bet of getting an exceptional player is via your imports i.e., you have a larger pool to search, albeit with more competition.

I'm just happy we're winning atm.

[cantremeber]

The Crocs are 7-1 since Ellis arrived, that's pretty good bang for your buck.

Maybe I am being harsh, but if you think imports have to be big impact guys and dominate you are more than a decade behind the times. Those days ended when Australia first got some depth of talent with the emergence of the Anstey, Mackinnon, Saville, Bruton generation.

Not too many teams have won championships (Sydney 03) in recent times with two dominant imports.

I take your pt and you may be right

Having said that were now in the era where teams manage a whopping 50 points a game.....

I for one believe the game has reduced to a good state league level.

[timeforachange]

The Crocs are 7-1 since Ellis arrived, that's pretty good bang for your buck.

Maybe I am being harsh, but if you think imports have to be big impact guys and dominate you are more than a decade behind the times. Those days ended when Australia first got some depth of talent with the emergence of the Anstey, Mackinnon, Saville, Bruton generation.

Not too many teams have won championships (Sydney 03) in recent times with two dominant imports.

You are so right about this. Back in the good old days we had imports that we household names, the Loggins, D-Train, Copeland,Rucker.... Now most fans couldn't name the opposition teams imports. The only import with such a profile these days would be Homocide.

Anyway, I am off to make uncle Clive some money. Night all.

[paul]

Cantremeber, Ill take your point on board if you explain to me how Kirk Penney scores more points and at a higher percentage at the world championships than in our 'good state league'.

Not saying the NBL is as good as the WCs, but if you look back to the 94 Andrew Gaze came off scoring 24ppg at 52% at the WCs and score 34ppg in the NBL at 53% - Kirk comes off 25ppg at 46% the WCs and scores 20ppg at 45% in the NBL.

I have always thought the NBL was a good league, but watching how good Penney, Abercrombie and Vukona were at the WCs really heightened my appreciation.

Tremmell Darden, Rich Melzer, Julien Mills, Darnell Hinson, EJ Rowland and Dontaye Draper are amongst the top players in well respected European leagues, yet none were stars here and the guys who have replaced them in the NBL in the years following are every bit as good.

Of course, none of this can compete as an argument against 'there are some low scoring games this year'! As my brother often tells me, dont put facts into my story and ruin it.

[Voice(s)]

and guys like CJ Bruton who was a star in the NBL averaged about six points a game at the last Olympics yet the following season averaged 16 a game in the NBL.

The reality is though only 2 or 3 NBL players were good enough to make the arse end of our national team (despite a few star players making themselves unavailable) and guys that were superstars here are now role players (at best decent players) in Europe.

The standard isn't as high as it was in say the 90's and that's reflected in the exodus of aussie talent to Europe and the diminishing standard of imports clubs are now able to attract due to tight financial constraints.

But it's still the best league in Australia and you just have to ask yourself if you're still willing to follow & support the league as we all do.

[cantremeber]

Cantremeber, Ill take your point on board if you explain to me how Kirk Penney scores more points and at a higher percentage at the world championships than in our 'good state league'.

Not saying the NBL is as good as the WCs, but if you look back to the 94 Andrew Gaze came off scoring 24ppg at 52% at the WCs and score 34ppg in the NBL at 53% - Kirk comes off 25ppg at 46% the WCs and scores 20ppg at 45% in the NBL.

I have always thought the NBL was a good league, but watching how good Penney, Abercrombie and Vukona were at the WCs really heightened my appreciation.

Tremmell Darden, Rich Melzer, Julien Mills, Darnell Hinson, EJ Rowland and Dontaye Draper are amongst the top players in well respected European leagues, yet none were stars here and the guys who have replaced them in the NBL in the years following are every bit as good.

Of course, none of this can compete as an argument against 'there are some low scoring games this year'! As my brother often tells me, dont put facts into my story and ruin it.

You run with that.

I remember the league, the quality of the games, the amazing atmosphere, the rivalry and sheer spectacle that WAS the NBL. The free flowing immensely athletic prowess, the personality-driven hype, the match-ups...I could go on and on and on.

To name just a few of the guys who graced the pine and lit up the league - Rob Rose, Leroy Loggins, Mark Davis, Ricky Grace, Scott Fisher, Cal Bruton, Herb McEachin, Clarence Tyson, Bobby Locke, Al Green, D Mac, Chris William, Tony Wilson, James Crawford, Darnell Mee, Lanard Copeland, Steve Woodberry, Melvin Thomas, Ray Owes, D-Train, Carfino, Derek Rucker, Rimas Kurtainitis, Bruce Bolden, Dean Uthoff etc etc etc

and guys like CJ Bruton who was a star in the NBL averaged about six points a game at the last Olympics yet the following season averaged 16 a game in the NBL.

The reality is though only 2 or 3 NBL players were good enough to make the arse end of our national team (despite a few star players making themselves unavailable) and guys that were superstars here are now role players (at best decent players) in Europe.

The standard isn't as high as it was in say the 90's and that's reflected in the exodus of aussie talent to Europe and the diminishing standard of imports clubs are now able to attract due to tight financial constraints.

But it's still the best league in Australia and you just have to ask yourself if you're still willing to follow & support the league as we all do.

I do follow it but alas...compared to those who used to - we are but a handful and a shadow.

[Cussy]

To name just a few of the guys who graced the pine and lit up the league - Rob Rose, Leroy Loggins, Mark Davis, Ricky Grace, Scott Fisher, Cal Bruton, Herb McEachin, Clarence Tyson, Bobby Locke, Al Green, D Mac, Chris William, Tony Wilson, James Crawford, Darnell Mee, Lanard Copeland, Steve Woodberry, Melvin Thomas, Ray Owes, D-Train, Carfino, Derek Rucker, Rimas Kurtainitis, Bruce Bolden, Dean Uthoff etc etc etc


Another brilliant analysis. Take some of the best names the league has had over the past 15-20 years, and then compare it to...hmm, what can you go with? I know, one time this year, a team scored 50 points. LOL!! This league sucks!!

There is no question the league has shrunk in size and supporters from the early to mid-90s, but the quality of basketball is certainly not lower than what it was then.

[cantremeber]

Another brilliant analysis. Take some of the best names the league has had over the past 15-20 years, and then compare it to...hmm, what can you go with? I know, one time this year, a team scored 50 points. LOL!! This league sucks!!

There is no question the league has shrunk in size and supporters from the early to mid-90s, but the quality of basketball is certainly not lower than what it was then.

See thats what so great about life - we all get to have an opinion.

No difference between the quality. Stick with that.

[Cussy]

Was that a rebuttal without you actually knowing why, or are you agreeing?

[DJ Rod]

To name just a few of the guys who graced the pine and lit up the league - Rob Rose, Leroy Loggins, Mark Davis, Ricky Grace, Scott Fisher, Cal Bruton, Herb McEachin, Clarence Tyson, Bobby Locke, Al Green, D Mac, Chris William, Tony Wilson, James Crawford, Darnell Mee, Lanard Copeland, Steve Woodberry, Melvin Thomas, Ray Owes, D-Train, Carfino, Derek Rucker, Rimas Kurtainitis, Bruce Bolden, Dean Uthoff etc etc etc.

Did you ever coach Tony Wilson? That guy was my hero... I absolutley LOVED watching him play and even saw him break a backboard.

There are no players like him or a lot of those guys anymore, in fact i think basketball has changed since most of those guys played. It is a lot more pick n roll or a euro game.

[cantremeber]

Did you ever coach Tony Wilson? That guy was my hero... I absolutley LOVED watching him play and even saw him break a backboard.

There are no players like him or a lot of those guys anymore, in fact i think basketball has changed since most of those guys played. It is a lot more pick n roll or a euro game.

Ahhh...tony "The Jet" Wilson. Me coach him...huh??? I too remember the backboard thing.

He was a player that had unbelievable athleticism but never quite lived up to his potential for a variety of reasons. i can still recall a dunk of his coming from the 45....havent seen anything like it since.

I agree with your analysis of the game change.

[cantremeber]

Saw this on FB

"Who do u think holds the Crocs record for consecutive FTs without a miss? (67 in a row)"

Any ideas? Is there a place you can go to to see those sort of records?

[cantremeber]

Saw this on FB

"Who do u think holds the Crocs record for consecutive FTs without a miss? (67 in a row)"

Any ideas? Is there a place you can go to to see those sort of records?

I thought someone here would know ...Brad Williamson

[DJ Rod]

CJ Bruton holds the NBL record at 167!

[CoachYT]

CJ Bruton holds the NBL record at 167!
Flops?

[Melb Wildcat]

Praises to God in one game :D

[haggard]

words pronounced in an American accent before accidentally reverting to his Australian accent?

[CoachYT]

times he raise his arms after hitting a 3

[Cussy]

Seconds between using his Euro out clause, and signing with the Bullets?

[The Glove]

Pay cheques cashed whilst doing absolutely nothing whilst playing for the Canberra Cannons

[Alex_Traitor]

Times I wish he had played for the Cats all these years.

[SB.1]

Times he flails his arms up in the air after initiating the contact in any given game

[Melb Wildcat]

Number of times a day Derek wants the Crocs thread to get back on topic

[scooterrich]

Different NBL teams he has played for?

[Voice(s)]

Different NBL teams he has played for?

Perth, Brisbane, Wollongong, Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane (again), New Zealand.

Just a love of the game.

[Derek]

Number of times a day Derek wants the Crocs thread to get back on topic

This.

DN

[curious]

Crocs put clamps on in mid season surge.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/23/209781_sport.html

[cantremeber]

Crocs put clamps on in mid season surge.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/23/209781_sport.html

And so the press descriptions that often follow the game include such superlatives such as "a droll affair", one that "didnt reach many great heights" and a "struggle"...

All good but I guess from a spectacle perspective and in terms of maybe getting a grasp on the falling crowd figures - people may want to be entertained.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, the games can end up being a real defensive affair (for me - boring) with not enough points to make it worth going to.

Personally, I like a free-for-all, free-flowing, offence-focused game but honest defense and with the resultant high scoring affair. Pepper that with personalities, athleticism and inter-team rivalry and we have...hmmmm....the old NBL ;)

Now dont get me started on soccer...........

[curious]

Crocodiles deserve to win title: Ben Knight.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/02/28/211001_sport.html

[cantremeber]

Big week for the team as they have two big games.

Both on TV so thats good.

[curious]

Blanchfiled faces uncertain future.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/03/01/211321_sport.html

[cantremeber]

Blanchfiled faces uncertain future.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/03/01/211321_sport.html

I rekon somewhere between 3 weeks minimum to gone for season. Nothing likes Redhage's injury.

[mattic]

Crocs News 1.03.2011 http://t.co/NhwDoRh

"severe bruising of the buttocks"

I know the pain was very real and probably terrifying; but hehehe, that's funny, compared to what it might have been.

Be great to get him back in a fortnight, he's been going great by any standards, let alone a junior and we really did go to pieces for 5mins when he went off.

[DDFan]

I'm guessing it's still a pinched nerve. It doesn't take much to trigger (Bradtke's toaster incident) & they are excruciatingly painful. The bruising, though severe, would be way down the pain register by comparison.

I've had, & witnessed immediate relief, using inversion therapy*. Could be worth a try.

You won't get too many Chiros or Physios recommending inversion therapy, 'cos their money tree would wither. ;)

* note: We had cable racks (picture a large Jungle Gym) at work, which with well placed padding, worked perfectly as a tool for inversion therapy. 100% success rate too.

[cantremeber]

Anyone else see Homicides rant about Smythe in todays Bulletin

Not a happy chappy over how he was let go.

[Southern Joe]

... Homocide is the biggest show ponying, whinging little bitch I've seen on a basketball court in a long time. He isn't particularly brave. He is fast & somewhat skillful, but doesn't seem to be fully in control when he goes for the drive.

I'm glad we didn't pick him up.

[cantremeber]

... Homocide is the biggest show ponying, whinging little bitch I've seen on a basketball court in a long time. He isn't particularly brave. He is fast & somewhat skillful, but doesn't seem to be fully in control when he goes for the drive.

I'm glad we didn't pick him up.

Cant say I really agree with you re his driving skills...I rekon inch for inch hes the best weve seen in Australia in terms of speed to the ring and delivery at pace. Just a point re this year...he was born in '77 so he would have lost a bit of pace I'dve thought

So be it. I was waiting for curious to post the Bulletin link. But he let me down....

[curious]

Reality check for Crocs.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/03/07/213131_sport.html

[conair]

looks like Gleeson wants the ball or is he whining about the refs again


http://bit.ly/fsOlSr

[Southern Joe]

Cant say I really agree with you re his driving skills..


.... Yet his 1st drive .. outta control .... charge !!!

[Katisha66]

looks like Gleeson wants the ball or is he whining about the refs again


http://bit.ly/fsOlSr


Or he's doing an interpretive dance. ;)

Meanwhile, I wonder how the Crocs are going to go about regrouping now? You'd have to say, on the evidence of the last two games (both of which I watched, for once!), that they have some work to do to really be in the mix in the finals as opposed to cannon fodder.

[conair]

Meanwhile, I wonder how the Crocs are going to go about regrouping now? You'd have to say, on the evidence of the last two games (both of which I watched, for once!), that they have some work to do to really be in the mix in the finals as opposed to cannon fodder.

If they drop out off the top 4 I'd have my suspicions who's going to be Croc Fodder

[curious]

Crocs: The road worriers.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/03/08/213301_sport.html

[conair]

Crocs: The road worriers.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/03/08/213301_sport.html

Yeah, and often have do we to read the same old story, "We had a big video tape session and saw that we can fix the things that went wrong."

What!!!! after loosing 9 games on the road and now you say you can fix things, bit late don't ya reckon.

[crocintaipanterritory]

Yeah, and often have do we to read the same old story,

What!!!! after loosing 9 games on the road and now you say you can fix things, bit late don't ya reckon.

Its never too late, the season still has plenty of games left, and how about you give the Trevor bashing a rest for a while.... you're sounding like a broken record. Oh, and by the way "loosing" is not a word . I think you mean to say, "Losing" ????

[conair]

Oh, and by the way "loosing" is not a word . I think you mean to say, "Losing" ????

Oh! sorry finger got stuck on the o, not uncommon for me, It's the way I have the keyboard set up. It's pretty touchy like most on here.

[Southern Joe]

... gee... thats lucky.

[hellcat]

On topic.

[Katisha66]

I tried. ;)

And I'll try again. What are the statistics on what the Crocs' road record was like under their previous godlike figurehead...er, coach? ;) Because to my way of thinking (and I've been following them since 1996), they were NEVER a good road team, so if they are not now, you can hardly blame Gleeson for that.

[conair]

And I'll try again. What are the statistics on what the Crocs' road record was like under their previous godlike figurehead...er, coach? ;) Because to my way of thinking (and I've been following them since 1996), they were NEVER a good road team, so if they are not now, you can hardly blame Gleeson for that.

Well I know we won 15-16 straight under Stacker so there must have been a few road trips in that.

And Gleeson has never got close to that, so yes u can blame him while I'm at it he should have been reported for going off at the person on the bench, uncalled for.

[Derek]

Well I know we won 15-16 straight under Stacker so there must have been a few road trips in that.

And Gleeson has never got close to that, so yes u can blame him while I'm at it he should have been reported for going off at the person on the bench, uncalled for.

Translation:
"Gleeson never accomplished a feat that has only been done 3 times in 32 years, therefore he sucks."

DN

[curious]

Oh! sorry finger got stuck on the o, not uncommon for me, It's the way I have the keyboard set up. It's pretty touchy like most on here.
You seriously have a keyboard set up? Can you please tell us how you have it set up? So we know how to avoid the similar problems you have encountered!
I for one need to know how to avoid this happening for me.

[curious]

Well I know we won 15-16 straight under Stacker so there must have been a few road trips in that.

What does a beard growing season have anything to do with a coaches win/loss record and equally their home/ away record?
Piss off.

[conair]

You seriously have a keyboard set up? Can you please tell us how you have it set up? So we know how to avoid the similar problems you have encountered!
I for one need to know how to avoid this happening for me.


I'd love to tell you but, I seriously doubt you'd understand.

[conair]

Translation:
"Gleeson never accomplished a feat that has only been done 3 times in 32 years, therefore he sucks."

DN

Absolutely, it's about time u woke up.

[conair]

What does a beard growing season have anything to do with a coaches win/loss record and equally their home/ away record?
Piss off.
DN I think the above should warrant an infraction

Absolutely nothing, keep up my friend.

[hellcat]

Seeing as the last request went so well, any further off topic posts in this thread will be given a two point infraction.

[curious]

Back on topic. ;)
Schenscher fit to play despite pain.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2011/03/09/213541_sport.html

[Katisha66]

I found that article kind of bizarre. He didn't play much in the last minutes of the game, not because he was injured, but because he wasn't getting many boards and it was frustrating him? Sort of sounds like "things aren't going my way so I'll sulk on the bench", doesn't it?

[conair]

I found that article kind of bizarre. He didn't play much in the last minutes of the game, not because he was injured, but because he wasn't getting many boards and it was frustrating him? Sort of sounds like "things aren't going my way so I'll sulk on the bench, doesn't it?
You sure it's not Gleeson great coaching, saving him for the finals

[Katisha66]

I didn't see that in the article.

[timeforachange]

Pretty quiet in here past few days.

Crocodiles have a make or brake couple of games ahead and no easy ones through to end of the year.

Honestly, I dont know how the are going to go but a trip-up at this point and it might end up being another season gone.

Breakers might come in on fire as they try and regain their winning form. Perth is always been our bogeyman. Melbourne at home with Dmac in charge is going to be real hard and finishing with Cairns who might be playing for their season or to mess ours up is going to be no gimme.

I worry about 2 and 2. But 1 and 3 or maybe 0 of 4 is a possiblilty

What do you people think?

[Derek]

Absolutely, it's about time u woke up.

No other active coach in the NBL has managed it either. Should they all be fired?

DN

[timeforachange]

Pretty quiet in here past few days.

Crocodiles have a make or brake couple of games ahead and no easy ones through to end of the year.

Honestly, I dont know how the are going to go but a trip-up at this point and it might end up being another season gone.

Breakers might come in on fire as they try and regain their winning form. Perth is always been our bogeyman. Melbourne at home with Dmac in charge is going to be real hard and finishing with Cairns who might be playing for their season or to mess ours up is going to be no gimme.

I worry about 2 and 2. But 1 and 3 or maybe 0 of 4 is a possiblilty

What do you people think?

Is is always as hard as this to get a discusion going? Sort of new here and was wondering if this is what gets discussed or not?

[ziah]

Pretty quiet in here past few days.

Crocodiles have a make or brake couple of games ahead and no easy ones through to end of the year.

Honestly, I dont know how the are going to go but a trip-up at this point and it might end up being another season gone.

Breakers might come in on fire as they try and regain their winning form. Perth is always been our bogeyman. Melbourne at home with Dmac in charge is going to be real hard and finishing with Cairns who might be playing for their season or to mess ours up is going to be no gimme.

I worry about 2 and 2. But 1 and 3 or maybe 0 of 4 is a possiblilty

What do you people think?

I think a couple of road losses was good for us. I think that we are in the 4 now and we are fighting for second so hopefully that will motivate us over the line. BUT I also think that if it goes the way of us coming in 3rd or even 4th, we couldn't have had a better preparation than some super crunch games against serious finals contenders in the lead up to the actual playoffs.

[crocintaipanterritory]

Is is always as hard as this to get a discusion going? Sort of new here and was wondering if this is what gets discussed or not?

Don't worry about the crocs, little hiccup last week. Little birdy told me they'll be in the playoffs and will give it a damn good shake. Great team, great coach, great management, and fantastic local/home support... !

[timeforachange]

I think a couple of road losses was good for us. I think that we are in the 4 now and we are fighting for second so hopefully that will motivate us over the line. BUT I also think that if it goes the way of us coming in 3rd or even 4th, we couldn't have had a better preparation than some super crunch games against serious finals contenders in the lead up to the actual playoffs.

If we come in 3rd or 4th that would mean we didnt so good on the last 4 games . Also we probably did poorly on the road against CNS and Melb

Cant recall but there travelling record up to now has been pretty bad and with more road losses if they end up in 3rd or 4th (which caused them to be there) would mean they would have to turn that right around in any series with NZ or Perth.

How are they doing to do that?

[SB.1]

I think you'll get NZ this week. Simply much more to play for. Second spot will come down to the Wildcats game, which you will be favourites for.

[conair]

Don't worry about the crocs, little hiccup last week. Little birdy told me they'll be in the playoffs and will give it a damn good shake. Great team, great coach, great management, and fantastic local/home support... !

You keep talking the Crocs/coach/management up you'll be up for free tickets next season.

At this point of the season, if they can't execute a 20sec inbound play against NZ last week to win the game, I don't see that as a little hiccup.

[conair]

I think you'll get NZ this week. Simply much more to play for.

Oh yes, that's makes a big difference haha, much more to play for, and last week wasn't?

[conair]

No other active coach in the NBL has managed it either. Should they all be fired?

DN

Yeah why not, if it was good enough for Stacker to be sacked I don't see a problem with any others getting the same treatment.

[Katisha66]

conair, the sad thing is if Ian Stacker was still coaching the Crocs and had STILL not won a championship after 10 years or whatever, you'd be making the same excuses that you think everyone else is for Gleeson.

Back on topic - hoping the Crocs pick up their act tomorrow night.

[Derek]

Yeah why not, if it was good enough for Stacker to be sacked...

FIVE YEARS (and three losing seasons) LATER.

DN

[Alex_Traitor]

conair, the sad thing is if Ian Stacker was still coaching the Crocs and had STILL not won a championship after 10 years or whatever, you'd be making the same excuses that you think everyone else is for Gleeson.

Back on topic - hoping the Crocs pick up their act tomorrow night.

Please change your avvy, it's all sorts of revolting. :???:

Think its the face that mainly causes me to dry wretch every time I see it.

And don't say 'if you don't like it don't click into the thread'

[mattic]

Yeah why not, if it was good enough for Stacker to be sacked I don't see a problem with any others getting the same treatment.
Stacker was not sacked.

[conair]

Stacker was not sacked.

As you know I should know I got the inside story. I'll stay with sacked.

[conair]

FIVE YEARS (and three losing seasons) LATER.

DN

Yeah so, Gleeson done no better there's still no C/Ship near enough is not good enough.

How about going back to the original point that katisha66 posted

[mattic]

As you know I should know
Rubbish!
I got the inside story.
Evidently not.
I'll stay with sacked.
You are wrong.

[Katisha66]

Please change your avvy, it's all sorts of revolting. :???:

Think its the face that mainly causes me to dry wretch every time I see it.

And don't say 'if you don't like it don't click into the thread'


I agree - it's revolting! But there was a good reason for it being there. I'll see what I can do later about changing to something less vomit-inducing... ;)

[Dunkin' Dan]

Sacked / contract-not-renewed-despite-position-being-ongoing-and-him-still-wanting-it

For the purposes of this lame discussion it's the same thing.

[SB.1]

Oh yes, that's makes a big difference haha, much more to play for, and last week wasn't?

Last week I predicted you'd go 0-2. Home court is worth at least +10 points for "you guys".

[SB.1]

Sacked / contract-not-renewed-despite-position-being-ongoing-and-him-still-wanting-it

For the purposes of this lame discussion it's the same thing.

Alan Black says hi.

[crocintaipanterritory]

Yeah why not, if it was good enough for Stacker to be sacked I don't see a problem with any others getting the same treatment.

Ian Stacker was not sacked, his contract came up for renewal, he was asked to put his case forward, and unfortunately, it was not convincing enough to re- sign him. "Sacking" has a totally different meaning to it. Did Ian or Sandy actually say to you that he was "sacked"? Well, there you are, right from the horses's mouth's LOL !!!

[mattic]

Sacked / contract-not-renewed-despite-position-being-ongoing-and-him-still-wanting-it

For the purposes of this lame discussion it's the same thing.
Though I agree with the sentiment, I disagree with the statement. It's to do with the emotive effect of the words, as I'll show in a sec, hopefully, as well as the actual meanings.

Sacked = Terminated before any point of mutual separation because of some wrongdoing by the staff member. This is where the emotion of the word can be used by those supporting stacker to say, "those lying, capitalist bastards!" and by those agaiSst him, "well, he must have done something, for him to be sacked!"

Whereas "contract not renewed" means the conditions and consideration of the present contract have been fulfilled by both sides, in full and there is no dispute.

It is also much more in line with the actual job we are talking about where the end of a contract happens often and it is accepted that, at times, it is necessary for a coach and a team to part. Not because the coach is considered crap, or that he has done anything wrong (that is clearly not the case, many coaches leave clubs and go to be very sucessful at others), but that, after giving it a good shake, it's time to get a new mind on the job.

This is particularly the case if the club in question has strung together a line of non-performing seasons; as was the situation in this case.

I thought Stacker was a great coach and a great bloke, who took us higher than we'd ever been before. He really breathed life into the Crocs and it was fantastic when he was there. And after the 2nd, 9th, 2nd, 9th, 10th run, I thought it was time for someone else to have a go, too. Not because Stacks had done anything wrong, or had somehow illogically become a crap coach, but that I thought he'd had a jolly good go, come up short and it was time for a change.

When you don't win the whole thing for a long time (or ever), things have to, occasionally, change.
The sponsors and supporters demand it, the coaches expect it and the Board has to deliver it.

[meg]

Ian Stacker was not sacked, his contract came up for renewal, he was asked to put his case forward, and unfortunately, it was not convincing enough to re- sign him. "Sacking" has a totally different meaning to it. Did Ian or Sandy actually say to you that he was "sacked"? Well, there you are, right from the dog's mouth's LOL !!!

Fixed ;)

[Dunkin' Dan]

Alan Black says hi.

Haha ... first thing that came to mind when I started writing my post, actually.
Incidentally, it seems like he is doing pretty well for himself at the WAIS these days.

Though I agree with the sentiment, I disagree with the statement. It's to do with the emotive effect of the words, as I'll show in a sec, hopefully, as well as the actual meanings.

Sacked = Terminated before any point of mutual separation because of some wrongdoing by the staff member. This is where the emotion of the word can be used by those supporting stacker to say, "those lying, capitalist bastards!" and by those agaiSst him, "well, he must have done something, for him to be sacked!"

Whereas "contract not renewed" means the conditions and consideration of the present contract have been fulfilled by both sides, in full and there is no dispute.

Maybe that's where my problem is. I attach no emotive effect to the word "sacked", and I still say that for the purposes of the previous discussion the differences are all but irrelevant. On the plus side though, any tangent like this diverts attention from the original crux of the matter, that crux being old, tired, overdone, care factor zero, build a freakin bridge and get over it already, etc. etc. so I should probably be more welcoming to the diversion!

[Southern Joe]

...... What about the reasons for a contract to not be renewed?

1. Did Stacker ask for an increase in pay or other conditions that the Crocs couldn't agree to?

2. Did Stacker knock back what he may have thought was an unreasonable offer?

3. Did the Crocs perhaps low ball Stacker with his renewal that meant they knew he'd knock it back?

4. Did they simply say, as mattic has suggested, "Time for a change in coaching personnel, see if a new coach brings us ultimate success"?

.. Maybe it was something else?

[crocintaipanterritory]

...... What about the reasons for a contract to not be renewed?

1. Did Stacker ask for an increase in pay or other conditions that the Crocs couldn't agree to?

2. Did Stacker knock back what he may have thought was an unreasonable offer?

3. Did the Crocs perhaps low ball Stacker with his renewal that meant they knew he'd knock it back?

4. Did they simply say, as mattic has suggested, "Time for a change in coaching personnel, see if a new coach brings us ultimate success"?

.. Maybe it was something else?

And you know what.... its history, time to move on,....:D

[Stumps]

Stacker wasn't sacked, he went back to America for family reasons.

[SB.1]

lols dead man stacking

[mattic]

Haha ... first thing that came to mind when I started writing my post, actually.
Incidentally, it seems like he is doing pretty well for himself at the WAIS these days.



Maybe that's where my problem is. I attach no emotive effect to the word "sacked", and I still say that for the purposes of the previous discussion the differences are all but irrelevant. On the plus side though, any tangent like this diverts attention from the original crux of the matter, that crux being old, tired, overdone, care factor zero, build a freakin bridge and get over it already, etc. etc. so I should probably be more welcoming to the diversion!
Hehehe! No arguments here.

[Katisha66]

And you know what.... its history, time to move on,....:D

Hell, yeah.

I doubt Stacker has one scintilla of the bitterness over his "sacking" that conair does.

[mattic]

Deep down, he may. But he's made it no secret that he didn't like David Carmichael. He expressed this personally to me and he was obviously angry and used the colourful language one might expect in that situation :-) .This was after his contract wasn't renewed. He may well have perfectly good reasons for this and he may be in the right about them. But that is a simple workplace dispute and not the reason he was not renewed. The feeling which I have expressed in the above posts was quite widespread and I believe it would have happened anyway. If Carmichael returned any of the animosity (which I have never heard him express), then it would have helped make the decision easier. But that's all.