View Full Version : Wildcats @ 36ers 23.1.11
illusiv
20-01-2011, 01:33 PM
According to the Ten Website, this game won't be live in Perth and is showing at 7pm WST??
Does anyone know if that's correct? The game is 4:30pm Adelaide time, which is 2pm WST.
I think the Cats will win this, but it won't be a walk in a park. Cats by 3.
Be Aggressive
20-01-2011, 02:18 PM
I believe that's correct... the NBL website has an asterisk next to this game, saying 7pm in all markets.
Could be a tough game if Friday's game is extra physical.
I've checked two different sources and both say 7PM WST, which sucks. Why do I get the feeling that One are already looking to scale back their coverage not even 1 year into a 5 year deal? If you ain't going to show it live, then give it back to Fox.
Real danger game for the Cats.
illusiv
20-01-2011, 02:36 PM
I believe that's correct... the NBL website has an asterisk next to this game, saying 7pm in all markets.
Could be a tough game if Friday's game is extra physical.
That's crap for WA people....
Adelaide plays in NZ tonight so they have to travel back also, but they have an extra days break.
Big game for both teams, as the 36ers need to win to stay in playoff contention, and if the cats beat the crocs and 36ers beat NZ the cats could go to top of the ladder if they win in Adelaide too.
So you're saying 13-5 beats 12-4? On an AFL ladder perhaps.
WilloWildWaves
20-01-2011, 03:02 PM
I've checked two different sources and both say 7PM WST, which sucks. Why do I get the feeling that One are already looking to scale back their coverage not even 1 year into a 5 year deal? If you ain't going to show it live, then give it back to Fox. One probably has comitment to another sport during the live time slot, would rather be watching a replay than not watching the game at all. One has been doing a great job in covering the NBL this season, just be happy the league is back on FTA
Dunkin' Dan
20-01-2011, 03:19 PM
I've checked two different sources and both say 7PM WST, which sucks. Why do I get the feeling that One are already looking to scale back their coverage not even 1 year into a 5 year deal? If you ain't going to show it live, then give it back to Fox.
Real danger game for the Cats.
I wouldn't read too much into it. Heaps of Sunday games have been delayed for Perth viewers this season.
Delaying it nationally is a worry if it becomes a continuing trend, but I wouldn't get too paranoid over a one-off.
Doctor Fan
20-01-2011, 04:47 PM
Is there a radio station or internet video stream that will broadcast Sixers-Wildcats live?
Doctor Fan
20-01-2011, 04:52 PM
According to OneHD.com.au they are showing the Surf Coast Knockout golf tournament instead of live NBL...
"A world first event in a unique knockout format. Leading golfers come to Torquay, Victoria where the early stages of this event are held under normal stroke play conditions before a match play finish."
illusiv
20-01-2011, 05:02 PM
So you're saying 13-5 beats 12-4? On an AFL ladder perhaps.
Doh! My bad, for some reason I thought that NZ would have had 5 losses if they lose tonight.
Adelaide play a lot better at home than away, but after tonight's limp effort, you'd doubt their ability to beat Perth.
Spiegel
21-01-2011, 11:01 PM
This is a real danger game. Adelaide at home are very tough so the Cats need to be on their game. Shannon sparks them and their offense so Damo, Lisch and Robbins need to be pressuring him for the whole time he is out there.
Julian
22-01-2011, 06:59 PM
According to OneHD.com.au they are showing the Surf Coast Knockout golf tournament instead of live NBL...
"A world first event in a unique knockout format. Leading golfers come to Torquay, Victoria where the early stages of this event are held under normal stroke play conditions before a match play finish."
What an outright lie. Leading golfers have already begun their 2011 seasons in the PGA, European PGA and other tours.
This is being simulcast on both One and Ten. These is no point in showing the exact same chump change tourney ($135k total prize pool, lol?) on both stations.
Absolutely pathetic, we want live coverage.
Voice(s)
22-01-2011, 07:20 PM
What an outright lie. Leading golfers have already begun their 2011 seasons in the PGA, European PGA and other tours.
This is being simulcast on both One and Ten. These is no point in showing the exact same chump change tourney ($135k total prize pool, lol?) on both stations.
Absolutely pathetic, we want live coverage.
I'm pretty sure the golf pay Ten/One HD for their coverage though.
Alex_Traitor
22-01-2011, 07:51 PM
This is the second time a Wildcats game has been delayed on ONE on Sunday, I don't remember any other Sunday games being delayed in into Perth.
Pathetic.
Julian
22-01-2011, 08:11 PM
I'm pretty sure the golf pay Ten/One HD for their coverage though.
Whores!
Julian
22-01-2011, 08:13 PM
This is the second time a Wildcats game has been delayed on ONE on Sunday, I don't remember any other Sunday games being delayed in into Perth.
Pathetic.
Plus they've backed out of covering our game up in Cairns next month.
bogut
22-01-2011, 08:46 PM
Email :one: and vent your frustrations. They need to know.
Dunkin' Dan
22-01-2011, 08:54 PM
Email :one: and vent your frustrations. They need to know.
Screw that. Email http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCUhNi3c20eszkixmxYvgbM04VqhmCL YDnGX1vF6NbNGd3uHXeIQ and ask them where the hell their van was last night! That was some serious bullshit :mad:
Dunkin' Dan
22-01-2011, 11:10 PM
Perth Wildcats out to teach Adelaide 36ers lesson in revenge (http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/basketball/perth-wildcats-out-to-teach-adelaide-36ers-lesson-in-revenge/story-e6frg25u-1225992862878)
The 36ers gave the Cats a five-point face-slapping in the opening round of the season a bout that still stings Perth.
Today, the Wildcats finally get their chance for revenge and, with the two teams set to meet again on Saturday, coach Rob Beveridge said his reigning champions intended to land some heavy blows.
Statman72
23-01-2011, 03:03 PM
What an outright lie. Leading golfers have already begun their 2011 seasons in the PGA, European PGA and other tours.
This is being simulcast on both One and Ten. These is no point in showing the exact same chump change tourney ($135k total prize pool, lol?) on both stations.
Absolutely pathetic, we want live coverage.
Its not actually a lie, this golf tournament IS a world first for the format being used (rather than the first tornament for the year as I think you have read the statement as meaning), ie instead of just adding up scores for the 4 rounds of golf as per usual its played as normal over the first 3 days and knockout matchplay on the Sunday. Also Ten is only covering from midday to 5pm and OneHD is covering the final 2 hours of the Golf live.
Also having a go that they are playing for chump change in 135k, how much is the NBL Championship worth again - for an enitre season of how many weeks? 135k on offer for 4 days golf while not at the dizzying heights of the PGA still aint all that bad is it? If the powers that be at OneHD set their programming dependent only on prize money on offer I dont think the NBL would get much airplay.....
While I agree that it would be awesome for todays game to be televised live I dont think we can be too critical. Ten/OneHD support both the Australian Golf and the NBL, in this instance the golf is trying something new and attempting a fresh aproach to give the game wider appeal and OneHD is supporting them in that. Its not as though the basketball has been canned or will only be shown at 2am tomorrow, you still get the game in primetime and in full.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 04:15 PM
so who does everyone have here? wildcats to be the only road team to win this round or adelaide to defend brett maher court?
perth 3 early fouls :(
Julian
23-01-2011, 04:29 PM
Statman72 quote me where I questioned the format? The "outright lie" refers to the claim leading players were participating, nothing more.
In terms of timing I was going off WA scheduling, where only the last hour is exclusively on One. YMMV.
What irks me is One pulling previously promised live broadcats on short notice for a minor event. It smells like Ten in the late 90s. Scary!
pawnstar
23-01-2011, 04:41 PM
Anyone found a stream yet? Their would have to be a stream somewhere 1 person in the country watching oneHD would be streaming it surely?
joycefan
23-01-2011, 04:43 PM
mitch creek leading the scoring to date!!
Julian
23-01-2011, 04:44 PM
Anyone found a stream yet? Their would have to be a stream somewhere 1 person in the country watching oneHD would be streaming it surely?
It isn't airing live anywhere.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 04:44 PM
mitch creek leading the scoring to date!!
it seems south australia is continuing to produce the nations best young players.
pawnstar
23-01-2011, 04:47 PM
It isn't airing live anywhere.
Wow just noticed that how terrible oneHD. My complaint will be made over the phone and in writing tomorrow. I've found a stream from Sydney so I'll guess I'll watch it in an hour.
Cussy
23-01-2011, 04:49 PM
Who cares? Watch it later.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 04:53 PM
majok playing well it seems, trying to get back in the good books of wildcats hq.
DDFan
23-01-2011, 05:03 PM
Joycefan, Mitch Creek is from Horsham. ;)
joycefan
23-01-2011, 05:11 PM
Joycefan, Mitch Creek is from Horsham. ;)
ohok my mistake, thought he was a local for some reason.
I'm watching this online atm. Balls with three big plays to keep the Sixers alive after the Wildcats opened up a 6-point lead. Perth 48-47, Balls to go to the line.
Not sure who the commentator is - certainly not Carfino - but Maher is there.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 05:28 PM
I'm watching this online atm. Balls with three big plays to keep the Sixers alive after the Wildcats opened up a 6-point lead. Perth 48-47, Balls to go to the line.
Not sure who the commentator is - certainly not Carfino - but Maher is there.
what the linky to online stream?
Adelaide 56-53 after three.
Balls carrying Adelaide with three three-pointers and a classic turn the corner three-point play....Bruce looking decidedly average; Not so long ago, he came into the NBL with much fanfare.
Weigh looks to be getting his game back with some good looks in that quarter literally going in and out, as well as a couple of strong put-backs. Majok with a big block on Creek and a couple of alterations.
We wait for the Adelaide choke.
Perth back in front with Drew Williamson cooking. Creek gambled and missed, left Drew with a wide-open 3...then from a few feet behind the three-line, in rhythm
Julian
23-01-2011, 05:37 PM
ADL 60-70 PER, 13 point run in the last two minutes. Boo yeah!
Adelaide imploding again...13-0 in the last two minutes. Perth 70-60.
pawnstar
23-01-2011, 05:37 PM
Wildcats will win now, redhage was very quiet got the last 5 points 70-60
Redhage perhaps hurt at mid-court.
Perth still 72-63 up
Julian
23-01-2011, 05:41 PM
Redhage goes down hard. Uh oh.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 05:43 PM
Redhage goes down hard. Uh oh.
yeah saw that fall, doesnt look pretty. its his hip though, not knee so could be all good.
Redhage update - not a knee, more a left hip injury. In more comfort than he was upon accident
pawnstar
23-01-2011, 05:46 PM
yeah saw that fall, doesnt look pretty. its his hip though, not knee so could be all good.
Where are you watching?
Referees lose control of the game or phantom whistle
Holmes with an ugly 3 that was called a 3 even though Ballinger actually tipped it in...then Tovey blocked with no call...then Howard drives into Lisch and will get to the line.
Julian
23-01-2011, 05:48 PM
What disgraceful reffing, Ballinger tips-in a three-pointer yet they call it a three.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 05:49 PM
Where are you watching?
fromsport.com
adelaide in this, 40 seconds left down by 3 with howard heading to the line.
pawnstar
23-01-2011, 05:50 PM
Damm adelaide win!
ADAM BALLINGER. THAT IS ALL.
Perth, of all the guys they leave open, it's their best and most clutch player.
Adelaide 77-76 with 4.7 seconds left.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 05:50 PM
adelaide up by 1 with a ballinger 3. 4.7 seconds left.
bad gambler
23-01-2011, 05:52 PM
Nice choke from the Cats
Sixers finish the game on a 14-2 run
Julian
23-01-2011, 05:52 PM
We've lost due to that disgraceful tip-in call. FFS NBL do something about these pathetic officials.
Lisch had a decent look at the top of the key, but no dice.
Great finish from Balls
jake31
23-01-2011, 05:55 PM
It really, really, really isn't over till the fat "person" sings!
Basketball is a great game!!!!!!
alleyoop
23-01-2011, 05:56 PM
Hmm.... Redhage not able to walk off the court without assistance. At the end of the day that's the bigger worry than the L.
Julian
23-01-2011, 06:02 PM
Thanks to whoever was behind streaming the internal feed. Don't know how you did it but you're a champion!
joycefan
23-01-2011, 06:21 PM
that 2pointer called as a 3pointer has cost perth a shot at overtime.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 06:23 PM
the refs should donate their match fees either back to nbl or qld floods as they didnt deserve any money tonight.
curious
23-01-2011, 06:31 PM
the refs should donate their match fees either back to nbl or qld floods as they didnt deserve any money tonight.
Good bet loser.
joycefan
23-01-2011, 06:42 PM
Good bet loser.
why dont you like me curious?
Cussy
23-01-2011, 07:11 PM
Ok, so if Redhage's injury is serious, and he misses the rest of the season, can we use Brown as his injury replacement?
Spiegel
23-01-2011, 07:25 PM
Everyone knew this was a major danger game and it proved to be so. Now, i would expect a tottal reversal of this result next Saturday night in Perth. Thats 2-0 to the 6ers so far against the Cats this season but the Cats will be looking for reedemption next week.
As of right now we are not in a position to be getting ahead of ourselves and i feel we might have done that tonight. Lisch is in a major funk and Damo is not being an offensive threat whatsoever.Lisch is a very good player, but the Cats need him to start playing with better effeciencey again
jake31
23-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Ok, so if Redhage's injury is serious, and he misses the rest of the season, can we use Brown as his injury replacement?
NO.
When the player on the IW list, that Brown originally replaced, (Knight) returns to the game court, he is finished. If you don't put them on Injury Waiver, their points still count.
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 08:00 PM
As of right now we are not in a position to be getting ahead of ourselves and i feel we might have done that tonight.
... which is inexcusable really. The Dome hasn't been a happy hunting ground for us at the best of times, and playing there on the back of a Friday night game that a lot of players went into under injury clouds was always going to be a recipe for flatness.
Congrats to the 6'ers for doing what they had to do.
Now, i would expect a tottal reversal of this result next Saturday night in Perth. Thats 2-0 to the 6ers so far against the Cats this season but the Cats will be looking for reedemption next week.
We were already looking for redemption today and look where that got us!
For whatever reason, Adelaide & Cairns have matched up very well with us this season (although I agree that we should win the rematch at home, with some rest under our belts).
Still relying too heavily on streaky outside shooters for my liking. Tovey, Weigh + Lisch went a combined 2/13 from outside the arc today. 12 assists as a team is also very low - that tells me we're not running enough offence.
Here's hoping that the Redhage injury isn't too serious. The basketball gods really do seem rather keen on keeping us out of the title picture this season. :mad:
jake31
23-01-2011, 08:13 PM
I'll be blown away if it's not Breakers vs Wildcats in April GF games.
This is a minor hiccup.
Cussy
23-01-2011, 08:18 PM
NO.
When the player on the IW list, that Brown originally replaced, (Knight) returns to the game court, he is finished. If you don't put them on Injury Waiver, their points still count.
So we have to use a completely new player to replace Redhage?
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 08:40 PM
I'll be blown away if it's not Breakers vs Wildcats in April GF games.
This is a minor hiccup.
So Redhage's injury isn't serious? That's a big relief. (I read that it looked quite nasty)
Melb Wildcat
23-01-2011, 09:03 PM
Surely we can release Majok when Wagstaff comes back and then put Brown in for redhage on injury waivers when Knight returns?
It said he was taken to hospital and was in massive pain and unable to walk.
Actually there were two 'massives' in there but I edited for clarity.
Wildcats sweat on Redhage injury (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/basketball/8698418/wildcats-sweat-on-redhage-injury/)
jake31
23-01-2011, 09:21 PM
Surely we can release Majok when Wagstaff comes back and then put Brown in for redhage on injury waivers when Knight returns?
NO.
sunshine2011
23-01-2011, 09:23 PM
dislocated hip needs surgery out for the season - ouch
http://www.nbl.com.au/wildcats-home/news/article/2011/january/wildcats-co-captain-redhage-out-for-season/
jake31
23-01-2011, 09:25 PM
So Redhage's injury isn't serious? That's a big relief. (I read that it looked quite nasty)
OK OK, I typed it up before I knew the severity of the injury.
Maybe it's a big bubble. Still I think NZ vs Perth.
Terrible season ending stuff.
jake31
23-01-2011, 09:33 PM
NO.
If Brown is replacing ANYONE who is on the INJURY WAIVER list
then it's goodbye for him when that player recovers and returns.
If it is Knight then NO he cannot replace another player afterwards.
Melb Wildcat
23-01-2011, 09:36 PM
What if we 'release' Brown when Knight returns and then sign him again as an injury waiver for redhage?
surely that is allowed?
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 09:45 PM
What if we 'release' Brown when Knight returns and then sign him again as an injury waiver for redhage?
surely that is allowed?
It seems crazy that that wouldn't be allowed. I don't buy it.
Either way we are kinda screwed without Shawn. He's far more to us than just another body that can be easily replaced.
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 09:48 PM
If you want to play Knight you have to release Brown.
I know it's tuff but it aint gonna happen, Knight and Brown.
I don't think you're understanding what MW is suggesting.
I guess we will all find out tomorrow.
GCBaller made a lot of good comments about the Blaze's situation under "Gold Coast Rumours" and he said a player can only come in once as a replacement for another player on the Injury Waiver List. Check it out.
I don't think you're understanding what MW is suggesting.
It would still end up with Knight and Brown on the court together and Brown has already been used as an IW replacement player. I think it sucks that a club who has extra misfortune can't use a player they have had already familiarise himself and settle in.
Cussy
23-01-2011, 10:09 PM
If that is the correct rule, it doesn't make any sense. I understand that they need to ensure players don't suffer bullshit/convenient injuries as a roster upgrade but an injury replacement should be able to stay with the team if the need arises.
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 10:11 PM
Yeah, I don't understand why the replacement for player X should have to be different to the replacement for player Y.
Why put a club suffering another loss through that whole process again when there is someone already available.
If true, that is a ludicrous rule. What possible benefit does that restriction provide to anyone?
I'm still not believing it to be honest. I know the NBL has had some odd things in place in the past, but this would be too silly even for them.
Cussy
23-01-2011, 10:14 PM
All I can think of it's that's it's to stop a fake injury to another player, or stopping a player getting sacked, like some were suggesting should happen to Tovey or Williamson.
Cussy
23-01-2011, 10:22 PM
I guess the Cats can appeal the rule, like Cairns tried to do, but failed because they were playing silly buggers.
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 10:26 PM
It's all hypothetical anyway since Knight's status is still just a big question mark atm, but if it did happen to pan out that way then I'd be appealing for absolute certain if I was the Cats, and had just spent a month+ and a shitload of effort in finding my last replacement.
Melb Wildcat
23-01-2011, 10:27 PM
If that is the rule then Brown should argue restraint of trade. Isnt that why the NRL got rid of the draft?
Different situations but similar.
Spiegel
23-01-2011, 10:30 PM
There is noway Tovey is getting sacked. He is probaly the Cats most complete player right now. Well if Shawn is out for the Year, i cant see why we can keep Brown once Redhage comers back. Put Shawn on the long terms injury list and keep Brown.
Start Knight at PF and keep Brown to the Center. Also Brown is not an ISO player because he dosent have the handels or the range to creat his own shot from what i've seen thus far but if guys like Tovey, Lisch and Marto can attack the basket and get him some shots to finish around the rim by he can be a monster. Noway anyone in this league can handle his combination of size and agility around the rim. Alot like how Grace used to feed the Prime Rogers or Crawford off the pick and rolls or the baseline hand off dribble penetration assists.
garvs
23-01-2011, 10:30 PM
just get Andre Brown to legally change his name to something else then he can be re-signed... haha get the paperwork ready now cats... I bet its a loophole as he will have a different identity!!!!
Not good news about Redhage at all... :( others will just have to pick up their game.... looking at you Lisch, not only because Redhage is out but because its the 2nd 1/2 of the season and your on my dream team lol
Cussy
23-01-2011, 10:39 PM
There is noway Tovey is getting sacked
Dude, I used his name as an example.
If Brown stays, Wagstaff will come in to the starting four spot and Knight can come off the bench.
Silencer83
23-01-2011, 10:45 PM
Brown can replace Redhage as he has been ruled out for the season. The rule states that once the player he was replacing on injury waivers returns he can only come back into the side if he is replacing a season ending injury.
Paul explained it all a few weeks back.
As Dan said, Redhage is more than just a body out there so it is a very steep road to win the championship now.
Spiegel
23-01-2011, 11:00 PM
Dude, I used his name as an example.
If Brown stays, Wagstaff will come in to the starting four spot and Knight can come off the bench.
Then who is going to be the backup 4? Weigh? .
Spiegel
23-01-2011, 11:02 PM
Brown can replace Redhage as he has been ruled out for the season. The rule states that once the player he was replacing on injury waivers returns he can only come back into the side if he is replacing a season ending injury.
Paul explained it all a few weeks back.
As Dan said, Redhage is more than just a body out there so it is a very steep road to win the championship now.
Shawn has pretty much bailed us out many games when the offense was going nowhere. He is the only player on the Cats team who has the ability to put an offense on his back and carry it when the rest of the team is not effective
Silencer83
23-01-2011, 11:03 PM
Then who is going to be the backup 4? Weigh? .
Either Knight or Trueman I imagine.
Spiegel
23-01-2011, 11:12 PM
Either Knight or Trueman I imagine.
Trueman seems to be the backup 5 this year but he probaly can pinch hit at the 4 spot. I actually would'nt mind seeing Hire some minutes. He is a fantastic rebounder and a solid player in the low post. He has the ability to get to the line as well.
RaMarQabLe
23-01-2011, 11:15 PM
Shawn has pretty much bailed us out many games when the offense was going nowhere. He is the only player on the Cats team who has the ability to put an offense on his back and carry it when the rest of the team is not effective
that's until we signed Brown... watch and see..
jake31
23-01-2011, 11:17 PM
Brown can replace Redhage as he has been ruled out for the season. The rule states that once the player he was replacing on injury waivers returns he can only come back into the side if he is replacing a season ending injury.
Paul explained it all a few weeks back.
Now that's a different case altogether. Not an Injury Waiver thing.
Some sanity afterall?
Cussy
23-01-2011, 11:23 PM
Ok, I see where the confusion was coming from.
garvs
23-01-2011, 11:26 PM
I see what everyone was talking about the refereeing, especially in the last 2 minutes...
lets see down the stretch
Ballinger tips in the basket they call a 3ptr
Small whistle blown down the cats end (could hear it on ONEHD) everyone stops... then told to continue to play and Adelaide score again
Damo goes up for rebound nudged out from under the basket no call
so basically, everything went right for Adelaide down the stretch and nothing went the way for Wildcats.... pretty lucky for the 36rs
oh well things could be worse... oh that's right they are :( NZ Championship betting odds would be pretty low right about now lol!
Alex_Traitor
23-01-2011, 11:28 PM
The NBL owes NZ 1 X Championship Trophy.
Choice bru!!!
conair
23-01-2011, 11:45 PM
that's until we signed Brown... watch and see..
How many imports do you want?
Cussy
23-01-2011, 11:46 PM
How many imports do you want?
We have two.
RaMarQabLe
23-01-2011, 11:47 PM
How many imports do you want?
WhAt u talking bout Willis??!!
We've only got two imports. Brown n lisch
Voice(s)
23-01-2011, 11:48 PM
Great game for a Sixers fan. With everything going our way towards the end you kind of felt that three from Ballinger wasn't going to miss. Not sure about Ballinger supposedly touching that Holmes three that roled in on the close up replay to me it didn't look like he touched it.
Not that I'm a huge fan of the guy but a real shame Redhage is out for the rest of the season. For mine he's the one guy that can always bail Perth out when the others turn to shit and just can't see how he would be adequately replaced. Majok with a couple of huge blocks on Howard.
All up the Sixers stole a win they really had no business winning.
Dunkin' Dan
23-01-2011, 11:57 PM
Shawn has pretty much bailed us out many games when the offense was going nowhere. He is the only player on the Cats team who has the ability to put an offense on his back and carry it when the rest of the team is not effective
I would argue that Lisch is the next closest thing we have in that regard. He hasn't been in form at all this season, but the last 6 weeks of last season + High Stakes Hoops version of Lisch is bloody hard to stop.
Time to remind us all of how good you are, Kev.
illusiv
23-01-2011, 11:57 PM
Shocking umpiring down the stretch, but we shouldn't have let it get to that. I think that when Redhage went down, it deflated the team.
Weigh was fouled badly on the drive at the end, looked like they grabed his singlet and hacked him. One of the refs blew their whistle slightly, but enough for the 36ers to stop! If the ref changed his mind that's fine, but then blow your whistle when you see that everyone stopped!
Redhage's injury is a real blow.... Brown is a good replacement (if they are able to use him), but as people have said Shawn has bailed us out many times and is the only player that can just take over a game offensively.
Horrible way to end a game :(
WhoIsMe
23-01-2011, 11:58 PM
i hated the delayed telecast that was pushed backwards even more thanks to a frivolous golf tournament!
Alex_Traitor
24-01-2011, 12:08 AM
IMO Brown is severly overrated by Bevo and the clan, the only way the Cats can win thing this now is by grabbing top spot. Being three games behind NZ is going to make this nigh on impossible unless the Breakers contract some sort of horrible inury voodoo curse similar to what Blaze/Cats are going through.
Correct AT. I'm not sold on Brown, he does not have near enough the physical presence that a guy his size should. He is 1/2 an Ira Clark at best.
You have to feel for Shawn - 2 days after his 30th now probably coming out of an anesthetic in an Adelaide hospital.
The positive is that Wagstaff and Weigh get a real shot in the arm development wise, and the opportunity is there for someone like Damo or Lisch to become the go-to guy and leader of this team. The club MVP is wide open also.
Someone has to play NZ in the GF, and we are still in the driver's seat to do it. And we ain't just gonna hand it to them. That'll be the msg to the players, and lets see what we can make of this, the pressure is off.
Can Majok come in for Redhage? Matty Knight still sounds like March at best, so there is still a big hole to fill, and I'm not convinced that Brown will deliver any more value than Majok at this point. I guess we don't have to make that call until Wags comes back/Majok's contract is up.
Amazing that Redhage is now 30 years old and used to be a Breaker. He's a big loss, no question - we can rattle him but we don't have a guy to stop him. I remember him torching us even in garbage time in Perth with the Wildcats holding a massive lead.
I'm still worried about Perth - at home, they've lost just once - and despite five away losses, they've been pretty unlucky in a lot of them. All it takes in a three-game series is a snatch-and-grab in Game 1 by the away team.
Perth will probably come out this w/e against Adelaide at home and blow them out of the water
illusiv
24-01-2011, 08:30 AM
Amazing that Redhage is now 30 years old and used to be a Breaker. He's a big loss, no question - we can rattle him but we don't have a guy to stop him. I remember him torching us even in garbage time in Perth with the Wildcats holding a massive lead.
I'm still worried about Perth - at home, they've lost just once - and despite five away losses, they've been pretty unlucky in a lot of them. All it takes in a three-game series is a snatch-and-grab in Game 1 by the away team.
Perth will probably come out this w/e against Adelaide at home and blow them out of the water
We have lost 2 at home this season - Cairns and Melbourne.
We have lost 2 at home this season - Carins and Melbourne.
Sorry - forgot the Melbourne loss.
Spiegel
24-01-2011, 11:26 AM
I would argue that Lisch is the next closest thing we have in that regard. He hasn't been in form at all this season, but the last 6 weeks of last season + High Stakes Hoops version of Lisch is bloody hard to stop.
Time to remind us all of how good you are, Kev.
With Lisch this season is Consistencey dan. He is just to on and off.The guy off the dribble is probaly the hardest player in the league to stop but he rarely uses that this season. He resorts to to many jumpshots. I really hope he starts attacking the basket more from here on.
Jive Turkey
24-01-2011, 11:37 AM
If there's one team that can overcome the loss of its marquee man it's the Wildcats imo .. As much as I hate seeing players in any sport go down with serious injuries, one of the things I always enjoy seeing is how a team and players within a team respond when their 'go-to' guy is gone.
This Wildcats group has the right mentality to move forward from the Redhage setback imo. Infact, I think there's been a couple of guys in that squad who've been hovering in second gear for most of this season and knowing that they need to shoulder more of the load from now on might just be the tonic to get the best out of them.
Not sure if they can win the title but if they accept this Redhage absence as a huge challenge to get after, they'll make it mighty tough for NZ or whoever to win the lot ..
fwiw, I think they'll start off with a big emotional win over Adelaide this weekend
DDFan
24-01-2011, 07:12 PM
I always enjoy the Perth/Adelaide clashes & yesterday was no surprise. That doesn't come off of the back of the miraculous comeback win, I still would've enjoyed it if we fell a point short.
Early in the game Eddie hit the deck & invariably their was a cat hand their to help him up, none of the chest pumping, nostril stare crap that was popular a few years ago from other teams.
Where the 'Cats lost the game to me, was expecting the 36ers to play the dribble the ball bald & chuck uP a prayer offence that we've grown accustomed to. Whether that's a flow on from Darren Ng's injury changing tha game plan, I don't know, but I think Bevo & I were equally surprised.
I also loved that Balls presented a moving body on offence which then get him the pass. Quite frankly, I'm sick to freak'n death of the "get the ball to Balls" ad nauseam. Sure, chuck him the ball on every offence, but if he's sandwiched between to oppo bigs, don't expect much to come of it.
The success on yesterday's offence came from players slashing to the basket, which has been a rarity with few exceptions. The major crime all along was that Balls had 2 bigs tied up & no-one took advantage.
On Perth's game, I don't know if my mancrush on Kev blinkers my judgment, but I thought he was great with his cuts to the basket & mixing it up with assists. Somehow, I didn't see the relentless intensity from Perth which really surprised me.
I'm hoping Red's hip injury doesn't become a long-term problem, & I've fingers crossed that it's only (ouch) a dislocation with minimal joint structure damage. I don't think it can be compared to the Anstey comeback, as he went through major hip surgery, after prolonged stress abuse. Maybe similar to Mark Davis' shoulder dislocation, but far more problematic being a weight bearing joint.
Next round match-up should be interesting with the 36ers buoyant after the win, & the 'Cats with a lot of adjustments to make.
Cussy
24-01-2011, 07:29 PM
Some dick nose on hoops.com.au was more than happy to see Redhage get injured, accused him of faking it, and basically decided it was due to karma.
DDFan
24-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Some dick nose on hoops.com.au was more than happy to see Redhage get injured, accused him of faking it, and basically decided it was due to karma.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I don't bother lurking much on hoops, there are a few posters that are like fingernails on a blackboard.
I'm not able to mail the mods to complain (well wasn't last time ;)), so I just leave 'em to it.
Spiegel
25-01-2011, 12:16 AM
Some dick nose on hoops.com.au was more than happy to see Redhage get injured, accused him of faking it, and basically decided it was due to karma.
It would take a real scumbag to enjoy seeing another human being in agony or what ould endup being a career ending injury. I really hope Karma finds it way back to that clown.
Not sure if the link has been posted, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwALUpFVXf8
On second viewing:
- Weigh was being tugged from behind by Howard and a foul should have been called
- the phantom whistle was clearly from the crowd
- if the match was in Perth Lisch would have drawn the charge on Howard
Cussy
25-01-2011, 08:19 PM
Not sure if the link has been posted, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwALUpFVXf8
On second viewing:
- Weigh was being tugged from behind by Howard and a foul should have been called
- the phantom whistle was clearly from the crowd
- if the match was in Perth Lisch would have drawn the charge on Howard
Why do you think it came from the crowd?
DDFan
25-01-2011, 08:55 PM
Why do you think it came from the crowd?Looking at the replay now, the whistle was blown at the 00:26sec mark, which most would assume would be ruled a defensive foul on Balls, if there was a foul there at all. Why the ref closest to the camera, signaled play continuation at 00:28ish (after all players stopped), in favour of Adelaide, is beyond me. Why would a ref even do that, or did he think the foul was called on Weigh? :confused:
NJB55
27-01-2011, 02:36 PM
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/all-ball-call-fine-by-balls/story-e6frecj3-1225995117254
Title misleading - I thought they were talking about the Weigh no call.
Not that I in any way blame the Holmes "3" on our loss, but it's interesting that if a defensive player touches the rim it's a goal tend (see Walker yesterday on White), but if the offensive player in this situation (Ballinger) touches the rim (let's say that's all he touched) should that render it his basket (and hence a 2)? Probably not?
The Sixers definitely had all of the calls fall their way in that last couple of minutes to enable the comeback:
- The Weigh no call
- The Howard? charge/block call
- The Ballinger didn't touch the ball call
Cussy
27-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Did Lisch's feet being on the charge circle have anything to do with the call? If not, it was the most blatant incorrect hometown call seen all year.
Sachmo
27-01-2011, 03:08 PM
Title misleading - I thought they were talking about the Weigh no call.
Not that I in any way blame the Holmes "3" on our loss, but it's interesting that if a defensive player touches the rim it's a goal tend (see Walker yesterday on White), but if the offensive player in this situation (Ballinger) touches the rim (let's say that's all he touched) should that render it his basket (and hence a 2)? Probably not?
The Sixers definitely had all of the calls fall their way in that last couple of minutes to enable the comeback:
- The Weigh no call
- The Howard? charge/block call
- The Ballinger didn't touch the ball call
So the correct call should have been offensive interference then and the basket waved off.
It had already hit the rim though hadn't it, so live ball this year?
Did Lisch's feet being on the charge circle have anything to do with the call? If not, it was the most blatant incorrect hometown call seen all year.
I think both have to be fully inside.
Stumps
27-01-2011, 03:19 PM
Not that I in any way blame the Holmes "3" on our loss, but it's interesting that if a defensive player touches the rim it's a goal tend (see Walker yesterday on White), but if the offensive player in this situation (Ballinger) touches the rim (let's say that's all he touched) should that render it his basket (and hence a 2)? Probably not?
Walker pulled the ring yesterday and shook the whole backboard structure, which could have arguably affected the shot (hence the requirement to call goaltending), however I don't think there's any possibility that Ballinger's contact with the ring (if any) could have affected the shot.
Cussy
27-01-2011, 03:19 PM
Were they? Or were his heels touching the line?
Sachmo
27-01-2011, 03:40 PM
It had already hit the rim though hadn't it, so live ball this year?
The balls live, but I didn't think you were ever allowed to touch the ring unless you were dunking it??
Dunkin' Dan
27-01-2011, 04:03 PM
The balls live, but I didn't think you were ever allowed to touch the ring unless you were dunking it??
I didn't get to see the game until yesterday - i.e. long after reading most of the game discussion - but that was the first thing I wondered about as well ... whether the basket should have been waved away altogether.
(Although unlike the example Stumps mentioned, in this case Ballinger's contact with the net & ring had negligible if any effect on whether the ball was going to go in, so from a common sense point of view I have no problem with the lack of action from the refs, I just didn't think from a rules point of view that it was kosher to touch the ring when the ball still had a chance of going in).
Were they? Or were his heels touching the line?
For it to not be a charge, both feet must be inside the semi circle, which they weren't, so it doesn't matter.
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