Crocs v Blaze, 11 Dec 2010 [Archive]

Derek

11-12-2010, 06:51 PM

http://www.theboards.com.au/images/icons/tsvm.png No Hinder (ankle sprain in training). Starters are Schenscher, Blalock, Crawford, M Cedar, Williamson. Freeman is warming up in Crocs green as per usual.

http://www.theboards.com.au/images/icons/gcbm.png Eight in uniform: Hudson, Teys, Gleeson, Garlepp, Clark, Wortho, Hoare, Goulding. Gibson DNP (injured).

Tip-off in approx 40 minutes.

DN

Edited: starters in bold.

Jive Turkey

11-12-2010, 07:00 PM

wow, crowd is almost entitled to pay half price for this one

conair

11-12-2010, 07:19 PM

wow, crowd is almost entitled to pay half price for this one

Why?

Jive Turkey

11-12-2010, 07:21 PM

Why?

lol

Derek

11-12-2010, 07:29 PM

I wonder what the pro-national-anthem crowd thought of the beatboxed version tonight. :P

Three minutes to tip-off.

DN

GC Baller

11-12-2010, 07:44 PM

Disgraceful is how I would describe the national anthem

Like I said in the other thread, we could be in for a long night with Gleeson-Teys as our PG combination. 4 turnovers already with 2 mins to go in the 1st qtr

GC Baller

11-12-2010, 08:12 PM

Same story as last week with rebounding. We can't give up 10 offensive boards in the first half and expect to win. This will come back to bite us in the second half

Derek

11-12-2010, 08:15 PM

Half time:

Townsville 46 (Freeman 16 Schenscher 11 three players on 5) lead Gold Coast 40 (Worthington 15 Hudson 7 Goulding 7).

DN

Jive Turkey

11-12-2010, 08:15 PM

Is this the same Gabe Freeman who's just been given his walking papers ?

crocintaipanterritory

11-12-2010, 08:27 PM

Is this the same Gabe Freeman who's just been given his walking papers ?

he wanted to leave of his own accord.

claudia

11-12-2010, 08:28 PM

Looking at the Blaze bench and choosing from only Teys, Gleeson and Garlepp is challenging but the Blaze have stayed in it so far showing they are a team with real heart - just need stamina to stay in it. Go Blaze!

Derek

11-12-2010, 08:45 PM

Blaze have rallied- they're up 68-65 at the final break.

DN

conair

11-12-2010, 08:48 PM

Is this the same Gabe Freeman who's just been given his walking papers ?

Yes he's leaving, but, what we don't know, was he given his walking papers or was it his choice to leave.

GC Baller

11-12-2010, 08:50 PM

Bloody proud of my boys so far

crocintaipanterritory

11-12-2010, 08:52 PM

Yes he's leaving, but, what we don't know, was he given his walking papers or was it his choice to leave.

you'll find out in due time

Derek

11-12-2010, 09:17 PM

That's it, and that's all- Blaze go down despite leading late. They had their backs broken by two Crawford treys on consecutive plays.

Townsville 91 (Schenscher 21 Crawford 20 Freeman 17) defeated Gold Coast 86 (Goulding 25 Worthington 19 Hudson 15).

DN

claudia

11-12-2010, 09:18 PM

Good comeback by the Crocs. Blaze showed mighty heart.

Derek

11-12-2010, 09:18 PM

CONFIRMED: Freeman has requested a release for family reasons and is headed back to the Philippines.

DN

Gregory

11-12-2010, 09:55 PM

Bloody proud of my boys so far

So you should be, top effort.
But will they get a flogging at training for the loss?

mattic

11-12-2010, 11:01 PM

CONFIRMED: Freeman has requested a release for family reasons and is headed back to the Philippines.

DN
McGregor put it very badly, "Gabe didn't know this was going to happen, but this is his last game with the Crocs."
:D

conair

12-12-2010, 07:28 AM

Gabe Freeman decides to leave Crocs

Here is the press conference, doesn't mention any thing about family reasonshttp://www.pic4ever.com/images/icare.gif

http://www.nbl.com.au/crocodiles-home/news/article/2010/december/gabe-freeman-decides-to-leave-crocs/

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 08:04 AM

Attendance 3527

Katisha66

12-12-2010, 11:14 AM

Cussy

12-12-2010, 11:17 AM

Because the Crocs didn't handle the matter correctly, by <insert reason from cantremeber>, then that means that they have <insert outcome from cantremeber>.

Katisha66

12-12-2010, 11:21 AM

Oh, okay then. I get it now. ;)

Is this where we ask for the insider information to be shared, only to be told it's not happening to protect the source?

SB.1

12-12-2010, 11:42 AM

Sounds like they are looking at a couple of defensive minded big men, at least one of which has played he before. Galen Young?

Dunkin' Dan

12-12-2010, 12:02 PM

Yeah, they could certainly do a lot worse than Galen.

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 12:09 PM

Can anyone explain to me why it needs to be a big deal that Freeman is leaving? He's only played for the Crocs for a handful of games. He hasn't been there long enough to achieve any sort of "favoured son" status. Don't imports leave all the time for various reasons, whether by personal choice or because they didn't meet expectations? Not asking to be a smart-arse - I'm genuinely puzzled why him leaving is causing this much discussion.

Katish...it isnt that big of a deal and as you correctly posted, a common thing

What was at issue was that we got to find out about it thru press releases in other countries.

Seems a poor method of handling it, as I see it - that was the point raised but then it gets done to death endlessly by the need to deal with nitpickers.

paul

12-12-2010, 12:30 PM

It sounds like Freeman might have arranged his new contract in the Philippines before seeking release from the Crocs? If so, that would explain why we heard about it from that source.

Whichever way, it is excellent news for the Crocs, Freeman wasnt up to it and now they get a chance to bring in someone who is. It is easy to blame the refs, but imports all over the world get into foul trouble a lot when they first arrive - it's not just an Australian thing - and they just have to adjust. Freeman obviously couldnt but also didnt really excel when he was on the court either.

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 12:36 PM

Dunkin' Dan

12-12-2010, 12:38 PM

I don't know why the Crocs would want to keep it a secret, but I understand that there could be reasons. I agree that it is unfortunate that we found out from the Philippines though.
I'm glad that the Bulletin pounced on it with that brief story yesterday as soon as people had told them about it. The quickness of that definitely limited the silliness of the situation.

Personally I don't really buy that this was entirely Gabe's decision, but that version makes things a lot easier for everyone so it's a good way to present it regardless.

It sounds like Freeman might have arranged his new contract in the Philippines before seeking release from the Crocs? If so, that would explain why we heard about it from that source.
He wouldn't have done that unless he knew the writing was on the wall though, right? You don't sign a 7 month (or whatever) contract and then look to break it 3 months in, surely.

paul

12-12-2010, 12:45 PM

Well he asked the Crocs for a release to head back to the Philippines, you dont think he had sussed things out back there first? Cmon, a little bit of common sense.

Dunkin' Dan

12-12-2010, 12:51 PM

Well he asked the Crocs for a release to head back to the Philippines, you dont think he had sussed things out back there first? Cmon, a little bit of common sense.
If he wanted to go back to the Philippines then yes of course it would make sense for him to have somewhere to play once he got there. What I'm saying is that I don't buy that his wanting to no longer play for the Crocs was entirely his decision. I said to a friend at last week's Crocs game over here that I thought his days were numbered, and I didn't say it because I felt like he was homesick. He was hopeless.

paul

12-12-2010, 01:02 PM

Oh yeah, well fair enough DD, I was more answering cantremember's comment. As a struggling import you would have to have some idea, and it could just be that he prefers being a superstar in the Philippines than a hustle guy off the bench here.

Cussy

12-12-2010, 01:25 PM

Katish...it isnt that big of a deal and as you correctly posted, a common thing

What was at issue was that we got to find out about it thru press releases in other countries.

Seems a poor method of handling it, as I see it - that was the point raised but then it gets done to death endlessly by the need to deal with nitpickers.

I agree, and I am sorry for nitpicking. It really is poor form on my behalf to criticise every single thing you say and/or do, especially when I really don't know what reasons you have for posting what you do. I am just guessing really, or just posing a question that paints you in a bad light and I think it's starting to make me look like I have an axe to grind.

mattic

12-12-2010, 01:34 PM

Katish...it isnt that big of a deal and as you correctly posted, a common thing

What was at issue was that we got to find out about it thru press releases in other countries.
You've been delighted he's been so bad because it means you can call it a bad recruitment decision. That has been countered and you've shut up. Now, when your calls for his head have been answered, you find another, spurious, reason to lambast the Crocs:
a PR and fan-management f$5kup.
no f#$#ing idea...
Talk about over-exaggerating.
Seems a poor method of handling it, as I see it - that was the point raised but then it gets done to death endlessly by the need to deal with nitpickers.
Yes, it must be terrible to have one's inadequacies and vendettas constantly exposed by people who live in the real world; and awfully convenient, though not quite convincing, to call them nitpickers. We're not nitpicking, we're pointing out the flaws in your vapid arguments.

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 01:44 PM

You've been delighted he's been so bad because it means you can call it a bad recruitment decision. That has been countered and you've shut up. Now, when your calls for his head have been answered, you find another, erroneous, reason to lambast the Crocs:

Talk about over-exaggerating.

Yes, it must be terrible to have one's inadequacies and vendettas constantly exposed by people who live in the real world; and awfully convenient, though not quite convincing, to call them nitpickers. we're not nitpicking, we're pointing out the idiotic flaws in your vapid arguments.

Chuckle...I stand by the recruitment error. TG's gotta own that one. And I know GF, like him and wished him the best - didnt work out that way.

Rail all ya want at me...I'll leave you to your mates cussy and curious but with the fact that the crowd continues to drop - last night about 3500 - below break even....why - we're just outta the 4.

People voting with their feet. Maybe (ooopsss) there is a message there for ya.

Hell.... just for you...I'll stop equivocating (look it up curious) - there IS a message being sent there and it aint good

Cussy

12-12-2010, 01:55 PM

Right, so just when all your arguments have been exposed as hypocritical crap, you run back to the standard crowd figure/break even theory, just to make sure you stick the boot in one last time.

What IS the message being sent, Bob?

mattic

12-12-2010, 02:05 PM

Chuckle...I stand by the recruitment error. TG's gotta own that one. And I know GF, like him and wished him the best - didnt work out that way.

Rail all ya want at me...I'll leave you to your mates cussy and curious but with the fact that the crowd continues to drop - last night about 3500 - below break even....why - we're just outta the 4.

People voting with their feet. Maybe (ooopsss) there is a message there for ya.

Hell.... just for you...I'll stop equivocating (look it up curious) - there IS a message being sent there and it aint good
Ha! All arguments defeated: bring up anothery. Lame.

curious

12-12-2010, 02:16 PM

Hell.... just for you...I'll stop equivocating (look it up curious) - there IS a message being sent there and it aint good
You aren't equivocating at all. You just post crap.

How about just stop posting your one eyed, biased, crap here.
Time and time again, you have all these conspiracy theories, what if's and general hatred for the Crocs organisation and structure. So old, so delsuional and so tiring.
The worst part about all the stuff you post is that you beleive it!!!!

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 02:56 PM

You aren't equivocating at all. You just post crap.

How about just stop posting your one eyed, biased, crap here.
Time and time again, you have all these conspiracy theories, what if's and general hatred for the Crocs organisation and structure. So old, so delsuional and so tiring.
The worst part about all the stuff you post is that you beleive it!!!!

Nah, curious...I'll keep posting just to get up your nose.

See you non-believers-in-the-truth at a crowd below 3500...then 3200....then 3000. Maybe then you'll hear and start to beleive what so many in this town already know.

Cya.......

curious

12-12-2010, 03:13 PM

Wow 3500 people at a Crocs game when they were playing one of the worst sides in the competition. Makes sense to me.
No Hinder, no Gibson. Makes sense to me.
Your negativity, bias and hatred for the Crocs is disgusting.
They certainly need loyal fans, not bitching, clueless, biased, and bitter people like you are.

Keep emailing The Bulletin too. It's clear you have their ear and they listen to you.

Keep posting please. We love it. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

conair

12-12-2010, 03:34 PM

They certainly need loyal fans,

Well they should have thought about that before they started pissing the loyal fans off.

crocintaipanterritory

12-12-2010, 03:53 PM

Well they should have thought about that before they started pissing the loyal fans off.

I'm a loyal fan, and not pissed off ?

Katisha66

12-12-2010, 03:58 PM

conair

12-12-2010, 03:59 PM

I'm a loyal fan, and not pissed off ?

Not my fault if you can't see passed your nose,

conair

12-12-2010, 04:02 PM

player changes and/or the way management have handled them.

Spot on, with me any way.

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 04:38 PM

I wonder if the Crocs have done any market research in regards to their falling crowd numbers? It'd be interesting to hear what is causing it. I am not entirely convinced that if you asked ex-loyal fans why they don't attend games anymore, the majority would give reasons to do with coach/player changes and/or the way management have handled them.

Hey Katish - cant speak for them all, of course, but many I have spoken to from box holders thru to dyed-in-the-wool fans from Day 1 often come up with similar stories

And it generally stems from feeling used, taken for granted, milked and that the game night frivolities are no longer what they used to be and the spectacle that was once BB here in da Ville is no longer.

Now some of that is inevitable and some of it is from NBL and Fox influences. They get that as do I. But much of it is systemic to the Tsv approach.

Now there are those here that discount this and see the falling #'s in the context of a league-wide slump and a fall-off everywhere; right across the board.

Be very interested to know the year-on-year figures from not so much the Melb Syd sort of places but the Perth, Cairns, Woloongong & NZ arenas

And then compare them to Tsv.

The guys here remind me of the old chestnut "Deckchairs on the Titanic".

mattic

12-12-2010, 04:57 PM

In order not to repeat in it's entirety the last time you were completely and utterly pwned on this subject, I'll simply say: GFC. That should be sufficient.

cantremeber

12-12-2010, 05:08 PM

In order not to repeat in it's entirety the last time you were completely and utterly pwned on this subject, I'll simply say: GFC. That should be sufficient.

Well, excuse me if I dont take your in-depth analysis as gospel!

Like I said....when I see comparative figures for crowd #s at the other venues and then compare them to our local # - then we can talk meaningfully.

Till then.... I think I found a pic that seems to dispaly the central denialists here on OH's...see if you can identify them?

Cant see mattic....

http://www.uncoverage.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/head_in_sand-1.jpg