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[Daevo]

That year's centre was yet another rookie, Angus Brandt.
I thought Brandt left for the US before the 2008 finals. They did have Simmo for that game (who I recall was finals MVP) who's left since but Morehead, Wells & Skinner all featured in the top scorers list for the final so Viking makes a good point that even without Hawkesley, Simmo, Brandt, Dawson, etc they have enough talent to get the job done so write them off at your own peril.

[stylin]

Sutherland beat Bankstown by 13. Also had Guy Brandon in the top score with 12. Was that a one game wonder or is he back?

[Macattack]

Hard to believe a team can go down to Glebe one week then beat the (former?) title favourites the next.

Sometimes you need a good kick up the butt (from Glebe) to reach your full potential (beat Penrith). Springwood just needs to back it up and show it wasn't a fluke.

Div 1 Finals approaching
Pool A & B final contenders look decided
Coffs, Ballina and Queenbeyan, Griffith

Pool C top 3 fighting it out
CCC, Illawarra, Hornsby

Pool D Penrith have 1st wrapped up. 2nd, 3rd & 4th fighting it out
Sutherland, Macarther, Springwood

Exciting games ahead
CCC V Illawarra - Go CCC
Macarther V Springwood - Springwood on a roll
Sutherland V Hawkesbury - Sutherland should be strong after being embarrassed by Penrith a few weeks ago

[Skindog the Hawk]

Also had Guy Brandon in the top score with 12. Was that a one game wonder or is he back?

Never left as far as I knew. Quite a few games he hasn't had to trouble the scorer to get them the W...maybe he just poured a few in to make it happen this week?

SD.

[Prodigal]

Never left as far as I knew. Quite a few games he hasn't had to trouble the scorer to get them the W...maybe he just poured a few in to make it happen this week?

SD.

He didn't play the first 5 or 6 games but has been back since then

[Macattack]

News (probably old news, new news to me)
Tim Hudson Central Coast Crusaders State League Player now assistant coach for Sydney Kings - thats a pretty awesome promotion.

I knew he coached the CCC womens team for a while and played some minutes with Razorbacks and Kings, what else?
Awesome opportunity, good luck to him.

[Daevo]

It's old news alright - check out the Sydney Kings thread in the NBL forum but you'll have to scroll back a few months.

[stylin]

It's old news alright - check out the Sydney Kings thread in the NBL forum but you'll have to scroll back a few months.

I thought this would happen. I said to a mate of mine as soon as Moose was named. Get in as coach and all your buddys get a chance of being around the team. Great oppurtunity for him.

[Prodigal]

I thought this would happen. I said to a mate of mine as soon as Moose was named. Get in as coach and all your buddys get a chance of being around the team. Great oppurtunity for him.

Funny how coaches do that isn't it. You'd think they'd rather have people they hate as their closest confidantes :p

[Jackit]

Exciting games ahead
CCC V Illawarra - Go CCC


You can bet your caravan that Hornsby will go through to the Div 1 finals. Their last games are against Newy White, Power, Newy Green, and then the Power again.

CCC have Illawarra, Lake Mac, Dubbo, and then Newy Green

Illawarra have CCC, Bye, Dubbo, and then Maitland

So unless there are some massive upsets Hornsby should finish top of Pool C and whoever wins the CCC v Illawarra game should end up taking out the 2nd spot.

Illawarra's loss to Newy White earlier in the season has come back to bite them in the ass big-time!

[grub]

You can bet your caravan that Hornsby will go through to the Div 1 finals. Their last games are against Newy White, Power, Newy Green, and then the Power again.

CCC have Illawarra, Lake Mac, Dubbo, and then Newy Green

Illawarra have CCC, Bye, Dubbo, and then Maitland

So unless there are some massive upsets Hornsby should finish top of Pool C and whoever wins the CCC v Illawarra game should end up taking out the 2nd spot.

Illawarra's loss to Newy White earlier in the season has come back to bite them in the ass big-time!

looks like godwin is out for our game. we will be short on numbers but might bring in a few stars in for a celebrity game.
would normally bring in the youth boys but they are away this weekend.

anyone know what needs to happen to decide who goes through

[Spot Up]

looks like godwin is out for our game. we will be short on numbers but might bring in a few stars in for a celebrity game.
would normally bring in the youth boys but they are away this weekend.

anyone know what needs to happen to decide who goes through

Some important games will help decide this week.

Springwood v Macarthur ( I like Scorchers)
Guess both of these teams will be rooting for the Jets!!! That's funny.

Sutherland v Hawkesbury (Jets can't win without the big) although more than capable to cause the upset if he is in !

Then 17/07/07
Sutherland V Macarthur

Sharks could miss with a L L W. finish although unlikely.
Springwood look to have some momentum but it depends on who shows up !
Heat could finish W W W and be equal second with Sharks !
All 3 could finish equal 2nd.
Probably missed something in the mist but Really sharks hold the key!

Does it come down to percentage or is it on the split if teams are tied?:confused:

[grub]

Some important games will help decide this week.

Springwood v Macarthur ( I like Scorchers)
Guess both of these teams will be rooting for the Jets!!! That's funny.

Sutherland v Hawkesbury (Jets can't win without the big) although more than capable to cause the upset if he is in !

Then 17/07/07
Sutherland V Macarthur

Sharks could miss with a L L W. finish although unlikely.
Springwood look to have some momentum but it depends on who shows up !
Heat could finish W W W and be equal second with Sharks !
All 3 could finish equal 2nd.
Probably missed something in the mist but Really sharks hold the key!

Does it come down to percentage or is it on the split if teams are tied?:confused:


he is def out man...

[Spot Up]

he is def out man...

Why ! did his tattoo wear off ?

[Skindog the Hawk]

Does it come down to percentage or is it on the split if teams are tied?:confused:

If teams are tied on record, then it is their head-to-head record that counts.

If teams are tied head-to-head, then we look at points for and against in their head-to-head games.

If teams are still tied, then we look at overall for-and-against for the season.

SD.

[Prodigal]

If teams are tied on record, then it is their head-to-head record that counts.

If teams are tied head-to-head, then we look at points for and against in their head-to-head games.

If teams are still tied, then we look at overall for-and-against for the season.

SD.


Unless it's a 3 way tie

[Spot Up]

If teams are tied on record, then it is their head-to-head record that counts.

If teams are tied head-to-head, then we look at points for and against in their head-to-head games.

If teams are still tied, then we look at overall for-and-against for the season.

SD.

Cheers

[Skindog the Hawk]

Unless it's a 3 way tie

If it's a 3-way tie then we look at the head-to-head record involving the 3 teams (i.e. their record in games involving the 3 teams). If one team out of the three has a better or worse record (and the other 2 are tied) then the split becomes a 2-way split.

i.e. Hawkesbury, Penrith & Macarthur all finish on 11-5.
All teams play each other twice.
We use all records in games against each other.
If we come up with all teams having a 2-2 record, then we look at for-and-against in those games only to resolve the split.
If we come up with one team winning all games (eg. Penrith 4-0) then the split becomes between the other two teams only (Hawkesbury & Macarthur). If those teams are tied, we look at their for-and-against between themselves.

Generally most ties involve two teams only, however when they involve three or more, it gets to be lots of fun to resolve it. :twisted:

SD.

[Prodigal]

If it's a 3-way tie then we look at the head-to-head record involving the 3 teams (i.e. their record in games involving the 3 teams). If one team out of the three has a better or worse record (and the other 2 are tied) then the split becomes a 2-way split.

i.e. Hawkesbury, Penrith & Macarthur all finish on 11-5.
All teams play each other twice.
We use all records in games against each other.
If we come up with all teams having a 2-2 record, then we look at for-and-against in those games only to resolve the split.
If we come up with one team winning all games (eg. Penrith 4-0) then the split becomes between the other two teams only (Hawkesbury & Macarthur). If those teams are tied, we look at their for-and-against between themselves.

Generally most ties involve two teams only, however when they involve three or more, it gets to be lots of fun to resolve it. :twisted:

SD.

So not FIBA rules?

Quote:
D.1.3 If there are more than two (2) teams in the classification with equal points, a second classification will be established, taking into account only the results of the games between the involved teams. *

*Taken from the U17 Worlds thread

[Daevo]

They seem consistent - he did say "the head-to-head record involving the 3 teams (i.e. their record in games involving the 3 teams)"

[Prodigal]

They seem consistent - he did say "the head-to-head record involving the 3 teams (i.e. their record in games involving the 3 teams)"

But from what I can see he's saying if one team has a superior win loss record they're automatically through and the other 2 then go head to head. My understanding of the FIBA rule is that it just comes down to a straight points differential in games involving the 3 (+4, -2, -3 etc)

Of course the FIBA application is being applied in a tournament situation where each team only plays each other once. That's what I'm trying to establish.......when they play each other more than once does Skindog's rule then apply

[stylin]

A few years back Macarthur drew with 2 other teams for 2nd place. It went on wins and losses from our 6 games. Heat went 4-2. 3rd place went 3-3 and 4th place ended with 1-5.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Of course the FIBA application is being applied in a tournament situation where each team only plays each other once. That's what I'm trying to establish.......when they play each other more than once does Skindog's rule then apply

We had this argument coming into the last NBL playoffs.

If teams (no matter how many) are tied on overall record, then we look at head-to-head record between the teams tied. If someone can be split away at that point, then they are.
If we can't split anyone or if we've still got teams tied, then we go to points for-and-against in the head-to-head.
If we can't split on for-and-against, then it goes to overall for-and-against in the competition.
If we can't split on overall for-and-against, we then go to a coin flip.

The FIBA rules set it out a little more formally, however that's the way that it works.

SD.

[The Unbias Bias]

A few years back Macarthur drew with 2 other teams for 2nd place. It went on wins and losses from our 6 games. Heat went 4-2. 3rd place went 3-3 and 4th place ended with 1-5.

nah it was a 2 way tie with macarthur and springwood who both had a 10-4 record. macarthur went through since the head to head was 1-1 but you guys beat us by 11-12 at macarthur in rd 1 and at springwood we only beat you by 4. points for and against is all it was. it was going to be a 3 way tie if sutherland had won the final game of their regular season at home against illawarra, but a guy brandon jumper on the buzzer rimmed out and they lost by 1-2 i got told. if it was a 3 way tie for 2nd-4th springwood would've gone through to be 2nd since our 3 way head to head record was 3-1, macarthur's was 2-2 and sutherland were 1-3.

[Daevo]

But from what I can see he's saying if one team has a superior win loss record

Yes but only in games "between the teams tied".

As far back as I can recall it has been done that way when teams are tied on points:
1. win-loss in games involving the tied teams only
2. for/against in games involving the tied teams only

& then only if the teams still can't be split....
3. for/against in all games in the competition

& finally
4. coin toss (& Heaven knows there are plenty of tossers in basketball ;))

[EightyEight]

Illawarrs beat CCC by 4pts. It makes me want to return for the last few games to help them win it all. We'll see.

[Daevo]

Shock, horror...Panthers lose to Bankstown by 11 after being down by as much as 26.

[Jackit]

Shock, horror...Panthers lose to Bankstown by 11 after being down by as much as 26.

This season keeps getting better and better!

Other result saw newy green beat dubbo in a double points game at dubbo.

[StiLL Momentum]

Heat win 83-76.

Good game for the heat, they took real good care of the ball and hit a lot of shots

[grub]

speaking of hitting shots, sutherland hit 13 3's on us. and none were wide open, all were hand in the face, and a couple were flat out fouls but the refs didnt call anything. anything at all.... was a good game, there are a tough team

[Prodigal]

speaking of hitting shots, sutherland hit 13 3's on us. and none were wide open, all were hand in the face, and a couple were flat out fouls but the refs didnt call anything. anything at all.... was a good game, there are a tough team

Well I wouldn't say none were wide open. A few of them were, but they did hit plenty over hands.

[Prodigal]

Our YL game v Sutherland was called off just after halftime. Got very ruff and abit of a scuffle. All Sharks bench cleared and ran onto the floor. Was chaos for a few seconds. Not sure what will happen with it all.



From what I'm told the tribunal has delivered a verdict on this one with a Sharks player getting 26 weeks and their assistant coach 3 weeks. A Heat player also copped a small holiday. There could be an appeal in the works as there seems to be a little confusion as to how the biggest suspension was given to someone who was reportedly trying to break up the fight, as was the assistant. I'm told there's video evidence in support.

[Jackit]

From what I'm told the tribunal has delivered a verdict on this one with a Sharks player getting 26 weeks and their assistant coach 3 weeks. A Heat player also copped a small holiday. There could be an appeal in the works as there seems to be a little confusion as to how the biggest suspension was given to someone who was reportedly trying to break up the fight, as was the assistant. I'm told there's video evidence in support.

So why wouldn't you take the video to the tribunal in the first instance?

[Prodigal]

So why wouldn't you take the video to the tribunal in the first instance?


They did. Hence the confusion

[Jackit]

They did. Hence the confusion

good luck. can't see how viewing the same footage again by probably the same people will result in a different decision.

[Prodigal]

good luck. can't see how viewing the same footage again by probably the same people will result in a different decision.

That's what I thought. Haven't seen the video and didn't see the incident but have been told that the tribunal findings don't really reflect what the video shows. My understanding of the appeal process was that new evidence was required.

[stylin]

nah it was a 2 way tie with macarthur and springwood who both had a 10-4 record. macarthur went through since the head to head was 1-1 but you guys beat us by 11-12 at macarthur in rd 1 and at springwood we only beat you by 4. points for and against is all it was. it was going to be a 3 way tie if sutherland had won the final game of their regular season at home against illawarra, but a guy brandon jumper on the buzzer rimmed out and they lost by 1-2 i got told. if it was a 3 way tie for 2nd-4th springwood would've gone through to be 2nd since our 3 way head to head record was 3-1, macarthur's was 2-2 and sutherland were 1-3.

Nah it mustve been the year before that. The past 3 years we have tied for 2nd place. WeE did have a 3 way tie for 2nd once.

Heat beat Springwood by 11 i think. We only had 6 players healthy and 1 turned up at half time. The other 2 guys were the coach and a player who is injured suited up just in case he had to stand in the corner... A great gutsy effort with only 6 "genuine" players for the game.

With the Heat fella thats YL.

Penrith drop another game?... Wow! 1 more loss and the last 3 weeks could be VERY interesting!

[Daevo]

Penrith drop another game?... Wow! 1 more loss and the last 3 weeks could be VERY interesting!

I think they'd need to lose both of their last 2 games to be in trouble since they have the split on both Sutherland & Macarthur in any tie situation.

[StiLL Momentum]

I think they'd need to lose both of their last 2 games to be in trouble since they have the split on both Sutherland & Macarthur in any tie situation.

They have to drop the last two to not have #1 wrapped up, they do have Bathurst this week, but they have 4 bigs out. Hawkes, Peterson, Wells are all injured and the other one Boyd is going overseas, this season for them is over I reckon, dont mind if they prove me wrong.

[Daevo]

Gavrilovic also away for the next 2 games. The remaining players are going to have to step up big time.

[stylin]

Gavrilovic also away for the next 2 games. The remaining players are going to have to step up big time.

So who are their last 2games? Bathurst & ?

Big game this weekend! Heat v Sutherland. Seems as though could be for the 2nd place spot.

[Daevo]

Penrith's last game is the derby against Hawkesbury.

[Prodigal]

So who are their last 2games? Bathurst & ?

Big game this weekend! Heat v Sutherland. Seems as though could be for the 2nd place spot.


You think you guys can win by 33?

[stylin]

You think you guys can win by 33?

From the form of only 6 players against Springwood and winning up there i say they are in great form and possible. BUT its a HUGE ask and Sutherland are VERY good!

[StiLL Momentum]

From the form of only 6 players against Springwood and winning up there i say they are in great form and possible. BUT its a HUGE ask and Sutherland are VERY good!

Yeah, thats what happens when a team plays down to the competition, We should have smacked em, but we played down and the Heat straight out played great.

The score was 6 points difference, the idiots during the sheet couldnt read the score on the sheet, lol. Either way 6 or 11 its a loss that shouldnt have happened....then so was the loss to Glebe, lol.

This weeks game against Bankstown is a must win.

[Macattack]

You think you guys can win by 33?

Dreaming to win by 33, if this was sports bet you'd get 100:1 odds

Win by 3 as long as you can stop sutherlands 3 point bombers

[StiLL Momentum]

Dreaming to win by 33, if this was sports bet you'd get 100:1 odds

Win by 3 as long as you can stop sutherlands 3 point bombers

Yup, I saw Penrith lock down their shooters

[stylin]

Dreaming to win by 33, if this was sports bet you'd get 100:1 odds
Win by 3 as long as you can stop sutherlands 3 point bombers

You would def get odds like that! Funny how most senior Sutherland teams live on their 3 point shots!

[Prodigal]

You would def get odds like that! Funny how most senior Sutherland teams live on their 3 point shots!

Might have something to do with not having too many bigs ;)

[Daevo]

Funny how most senior Sutherland teams live on their 3 point shots!

Their juniors always used to as well in the past so they're likely bred that way (along with the big, hairy feet).

Might have something to do with not having too many bigs ;)

They all left in juniors due to boredom :p

[stylin]

Their juniors always used to as well in the past so they're likely bred that way (along with the big, hairy feet).

They all left in juniors due to boredom :p

I thought they could never cross them bridge that puts you into "the shire"

[Daevo]

No, people can & do leave the Shire...but then all too often come back.

How did you get that username again Prodigal? :p

[Prodigal]

Circumstances beyond my control ;)

Of course I came back. I need to be where the superior people live :p

[StiLL Momentum]

Circumstances beyond my control ;)

Of course I came back. I need to be where the superior people live :p

lol. :D

[The Unbias Bias]

Circumstances beyond my control ;)

Of course I came back. I need to be where the superior people live :p

Superior to some, yet inferior in the eyes of those on the North Shore.

[Daevo]

... or indeed to those of us who look down on the entire swill of overcrowded masses on the city plains ;)

[StiLL Momentum]

... or indeed to those of us who look down on the entire swill of overcrowded masses on the city plains ;)

Thats for damn sure, lol

[Prodigal]

**cue duelling banjos**

"Gonna make you squeal like a pig boy"

[THE VIKING]

... or indeed to those of us who look down on the entire swill of overcrowded masses on the city plains ;)

and choose an uncomplicated relaxing lifestyle:cool:

[stylin]

Did we just create a new topic? lol!

[The Unbias Bias]

**cue duelling banjos**

"Gonna make you squeal like a pig boy"

Someone likes the movie Deliverance... is that common in the shire?

[Prodigal]

Someone likes the movie Deliverance... is that common in the shire?



Springs to mind when the mountain hillbillys start popping up :p

[The Unbias Bias]

Springs to mind when the mountain hillbillys start popping up :p

With that in mind tell the SL boys to enjoy their trip to Griffith for the semis (assuming everything goes to plan in the last 2 rounds). I wonder what you think of those 'genuine' hillbillies lol

[Prodigal]

That's what I thought. Haven't seen the video and didn't see the incident but have been told that the tribunal findings don't really reflect what the video shows. My understanding of the appeal process was that new evidence was required.

Now I've seen the video. The Sutho player that's copped 26 weeks is a little unlucky. He's committed the crime of leaving the bench and running a long way to get involved in the altercation. He didn't throw a punch and was really trying to break things up. Unfortunately he's a big unit (and a bit clumsy) and his initial arrival on the scene at some velocity does see him run into the combatants with some force which almost escalates the whole thing. His intent was to break it up but knowing the way things are often looked at by BNSW I can see why he's been suspended. 26 weeks?? Wow, seems harsh.

The actual incident itself was fairly tame really. It starts with a Sutho player grabbing a Heat players singlet as he's trying to run back in transition. The footage cuts away as the Heat guy turns and looks to put a body check on the singlet grabber. Camera returns as players end up in the spectator area, couple of punches from either side that wouldn't hurt my Gran. Big unit arrives on the scene along with a few other sundries from the Sutho bench and order is restored.

Which leads to my next point. Why the hell was this game abandoned? After the melee the 2 main combatants, Sutho big unit and Sutho ass coach are all ejected. Fair enough, the rest of the players are ready to start playing again. There proceeds to be a 10 minute confab between one of the refs, ref supervisor type and some "higher authority" on a mobile phone and then the game gets called off?? I've watched the footage of the whole game and it hadn't been ugly. No other altercations and nothing untoward. It's not like the blue was a culmination of anything. It looked to be a brain snap on the part of the 2 major offenders and they'd been walked and I really can't understand why they didn't play on. I've seen way bigger and more violent brawls where games have continued.

[stylin]

Heat up by 34 wit 1min left

[Jackit]

The guy left the bench to become involved in an on-court altercation. The fact that he may be just trying to break it up doesn't really matter. Sure if he threw a punch or something then he would be in a lot more trouble but it doesn't excuse the fact that he joined in FROM THE BENCH... It's a cardinal sin. I actually agree with bnsw's decision, which probably won't win me any friends in here.

[StiLL Momentum]

Springwood got up by 6 against the ladies in Bankstown.

my goodness, I have never seen a team whinge more than them, lol. They got away with shoving players with the off arm countless times and also the amount of Flops was only beaten by the World Cup.

After all that we still won, then to make it even better, the idiots on the bench of bankstown get a Tech for complaining about the inconsistent reffing ironically was completely in favour of Bankstown with even the whole 3rd quarter them not receiving one foul and the best was when we had a guard on a fast break and after he jumped another player slid underneath and the O was called, lol.

After all that crap when the game is over, the idiot and completely (by obvious remarks like call it consistently when it was clearly in their favour) blind as he awards the mvp points 8-2 in favour of his team which lost by 6 and would have been 20-30 if the right calls were made.

It was a good win against the actors, I dont believe they are close to good defensively and therefore have to resort to those dirty tactics to draw fouls. Pathetic.

Anyway, now that that is over, how did the other games go?

Nice win for Heat, like to see how the Panthers went.

[grub]

jets beat glebe by 30+.
the big guy with the crap tattoo who can play had 45 points 29 rebounds...

[grub]

what was the final score in the sharks heat game

[A Higher Authority]

Three wins for the teams from Sydney's beautiful west.
Penrith up by 87-58 over Goldminers after being down by 9 at half time.
57-19 second half sorted that out.:cool:

[The Unbias Bias]

jets beat glebe by 30+.
the big guy with the crap tattoo who can play had 45 points 29 rebounds...

I guess that puts the jets one win closer to making the div 2 semis, oh wait, no it doesn't.......

[Prodigal]

what was the final score in the sharks heat game

Heat won by 27.....not quite enough as long as Sutho beat Bathurst next week. Sharks very very disappointed with the performance

[StiLL Momentum]

jets beat glebe by 30+.
the big guy with the crap tattoo who can play had 45 points 29 rebounds...

Not a bad game, so where did the guy with the crap tattoo lead his team to this season? lol,

jokes

[StiLL Momentum]

Three wins for the teams from Sydney's beautiful west.
Penrith up by 87-58 over Goldminers after being down by 9 at half time.
57-19 second half sorted that out.:cool:

Nice

[A Higher Authority]

Heat won by 27.....not quite enough as long as Sutho beat Bathurst next week. Sharks very very disappointed with the performance

That might be bad news for the Heat.
I doubt Bathurst will be able to stop the Sharks.

[grub]

I guess that puts the jets one win closer to making the div 2 semis, oh wait, no it doesn't.......

i would of had you guys pencilled as favourites until the heat choked

[stylin]

Yeh up by 34 with 1 minute left. Sharks hit a 3. To tie the head to head. WE then miss a shot and grab the offence rebound with 17sec left. Miss again with Sharks rebounding and going down court toi be fouled with 1.77sec left. We get a tech and they hit 4 free throws to win by 27. Was a BIG and very easy win BUT felt like a loss as we needed 32. Heat only had 6 players until 2nd quarter were we had an extra. Our injuries are getting worse and worse! 4 players out for season and another will be lucky to make finals. So may just have 8 when a player is back from overseas.

Same thing with Sharks. The refs were very consistent and reffed well but 2 bad mistakes. When they know the team by players names they just will let them argue and argue with non stop complaining and pushihng when they get away with it. They called a tech on us for a player coming onto the court before the signal of the sub! But foir the full 40minutes they complain and complain even stamping their feet! lol! Also a very bad flop on Proctor were even the ref laughed but still called it a charge on us. Other then them 2 fouls the reffing was great.

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeh up by 34 with 1 minute left. Sharks hit a 3. To tie the head to head. WE then miss a shot and grab the offence rebound with 17sec left. Miss again with Sharks rebounding and going down court toi be fouled with 1.77sec left. We get a tech and they hit 4 free throws to win by 27. Was a BIG and very easy win BUT felt like a loss as we needed 32. Heat only had 6 players until 2nd quarter were we had an extra. Our injuries are getting worse and worse! 4 players out for season and another will be lucky to make finals. So may just have 8 when a player is back from overseas.

Same thing with Sharks. The refs were very consistent and reffed well but 2 bad mistakes. When they know the team by players names they just will let them argue and argue with non stop complaining and pushihng when they get away with it. They called a tech on us for a player coming onto the court before the signal of the sub! But foir the full 40minutes they complain and complain even stamping their feet! lol! Also a very bad flop on Proctor were even the ref laughed but still called it a charge on us. Other then them 2 fouls the reffing was great.

Well Macarthur really have no one else to blame but themselves for missing out on the div 1 semis assuming sutherland beats bathurst next week after looking at the table.

The heat's overall points percentage after their win over sutherland on the weekend is something like 100 points better off overall, or say 7-8% (120% for the heat -112%ish for the sharks) so if you had offensively rebounded the ball with 17 seconds left and you were already up by 31 (which tied the head to head for and against thus making overall for and against the next determining factor in a 2 way tie) you should've just held up the ball and played the game out with the ball in your possession. You really didn't need to win by 32 or more, 31 was more than sufficient assuming you guys win next week (which was already as assumption even if you'd won by 32 or more) and sutherland don't beat bathurst by 100+ at least in bathurst. I think a better understanding and research by the team and coaching staff would've seen you just hold the ball up for the last 20 seconds when up by 31.

However, you said they hit a 3 to tie the head to head at 31 but on bnsw it says your loss to them was by 32 (90-58 ). Everything i said above was with the assumption you lost to them originally by 31. Well at least you've made the div 2 semis a lot harder now. Sutherland wouldn't have presented the tough competition that macarthur certainly will.

[stylin]

Yeh but we thought it was 31 but needed 32. They beat us by 32 so we had to atleast draw that. Then our percentages wouldve came into play and we are heaps ahead of them. Esp after smashing them. We shouldve held it but that didnt make the difference. We shouldve not lost by 32 to them and that loss to Hawkesbury really didnt help. They are the 2 major factors. Not beating Sharks last weekend.

Its a shame if we dont make div1 finals. But we've had a tuff season with inhouse problems and injuries.

C'mon Bathurst!! They could be tuff for their last game... Esp if they wereup against Penrith at half... Penrith are miles ahead of Sharks.

Im just hoping that us and CC dont cross until the div2 Grand Final otherwise it will make for a much easier GF.

[Macattack]

Dreaming to win by 33, if this was sports bet you'd get 100:1 odds

Heat managed to get the bookie worried, who would have thought that Sutho would drop off near the end of the season, usally they get stronger

Sutho really don't look deep enough to go far in the Div 1 finals but good on them for getting there.

Predicition
Div 1 Final; Hornsby V Illawarra

Div 2 Final; Heat V Crusaders

Don't even know if its possible with the way the finals draw pans out, but their the strongest teams at the moment.

On any given day these 4 teams would make a good head to head match, but we can only play with what were delt. Still needs some thought this div 1 / div 2 end of year split?

[StiLL Momentum]

Heat managed to get the bookie worried, who would have thought that Sutho would drop off near the end of the season, usally they get stronger

Sutho really don't look deep enough to go far in the Div 1 finals but good on them for getting there.

Predicition
Div 1 Final; Hornsby V Illawarra

Div 2 Final; Heat V Crusaders

Don't even know if its possible with the way the finals draw pans out, but their the strongest teams at the moment.

On any given day these 4 teams would make a good head to head match, but we can only play with what were delt. Still needs some thought this div 1 / div 2 end of year split?

Div 1 would be good,

Crusaders will have a walk in the park with the Heat, even at full strength, this will be a boring final if it happened.

[stylin]

Div 1 would be good,

Crusaders will have a walk in the park with the Heat, even at full strength, this will be a boring final if it happened.

What you think that Pool C is stronger then Pool D now? There are two pools of death?

[StiLL Momentum]

What you think that Pool C is stronger then Pool D now? There are two pools of death?

Nothing about pools, just think CCC is a far superior team to heat if that game happened.

[stylin]

Yeh fair enough. I can see why you would say that. Well we have to wait for a few weeks then...

[StiLL Momentum]

Yeh fair enough. I can see why you would say that. Well we have to wait for a few weeks then...

Ok maybe I have jumped the gun, They seem to be a better team but then one game can change all, see last year with the Penrith Panthers B squad the Jets

[stylin]

Ok maybe I have jumped the gun, They seem to be a better team but then one game can change all, see last year with the Penrith Panthers B squad the Jets

lol! ;p Poor Jets... Never to make it to a finals series again.

[StiLL Momentum]

lol! ;p Poor Jets... Never to make it to a finals series again.

Well what can you expect, over rated coaching staff, not as many panthers players...what can you expect.

[The Unbias Bias]

The Jets are superior to everyone and every team we know.......... oh wait except for those teams making div 1 or div 2 semis i guess lol..... go gra with his enormous stats though, guess those acolades count for something in egoville.

[stylin]

Before this gets crazy... lol! I do give props to the big fella. He does do consistently well every game and can hold his own in SL. Aswel with their PG Rhys i think. I consider him to be a very good player. Other then that they need some HUGE help from Penrith... lol!

[can'tplay]

The Jets are superior to everyone and every team we know.......... oh wait except for those teams making div 1 or div 2 semis i guess lol..... go gra with his enormous stats though, guess those acolades count for something in egoville.

its a bit unfortunate for the heat not to make the div 1 finals, with a full healthy squad no doubt they wouldve been there again. as for the scorchers you never have nor will you ever make div 1. seriously who gives a **** about div 2 thats just for teams that weren't good enough.

yeah yeah the jets didn't make either, and we choked last year so what? get over the fact that we had ex penrith players are you tellin me if hawks and co came to you, you wouldn't let them play? this is the reason the scorchers will never go anywhere, you have the same old players its no wonder you can't make div 1.

you take ball a little too serious, i'm just happy to play with a bunch of mates and have a few drinks afterwards with.

[The Unbias Bias]

its a bit unfortunate for the heat not to make the div 1 finals, with a full healthy squad no doubt they wouldve been there again. as for the scorchers you never have nor will you ever make div 1. seriously who gives a **** about div 2 thats just for teams that weren't good enough.

yeah yeah the jets didn't make either, and we choked last year so what? get over the fact that we had ex penrith players are you tellin me if hawks and co came to you, you wouldn't let them play? this is the reason the scorchers will never go anywhere, you have the same old players its no wonder you can't make div 1.

you take ball a little too serious, i'm just happy to play with a bunch of mates and have a few drinks afterwards with.

Guess those drinks go down easier after a loss don't they, you should be used to that by now so it's probably just second nature. nice to see you guys are back where you belong though, missing out on the top 4 really showcases how deep hawkesbury basketball is these days.

Yeah springwood may never make div 1, guess i dont have the fortune-telling skills of you though. On that note since you can obviously see the future why did you bother turning up all season when all you've done is lose? do you enjoy it that much? and if those guys ever wanted to play with springwood we wouldn't be on our knees like hawkesbury was, guess you guys just enjoy taking it from behind. good luck this saturday though, if you guys can somehow win at least we'll take out the photoexcellence cup. how many wins does hawkesbury have in the photoexcellence games so far this season? :)

As far as last season goes i don't even need to insult you or say anything about that. that performance and result was insulting enough. it's something you'll never forget and regret for the rest of your bball days. guess all those weeks of being undefeated really paid off lol must really be something you love to reminisce about though......

[StiLL Momentum]

its a bit unfortunate for the heat not to make the div 1 finals, with a full healthy squad no doubt they wouldve been there again. as for the scorchers you never have nor will you ever make div 1. seriously who gives a **** about div 2 thats just for teams that weren't good enough.

yeah yeah the jets didn't make either, and we choked last year so what? get over the fact that we had ex penrith players are you tellin me if hawks and co came to you, you wouldn't let them play? this is the reason the scorchers will never go anywhere, you have the same old players its no wonder you can't make div 1.

you take ball a little too serious, i'm just happy to play with a bunch of mates and have a few drinks afterwards with.

hahaha just a typical jets red neck.

Unlike your sellout team from last season every other season you guys have been where you belong, at or near the sticky sh*t on the ground we walk over everyday.

so you bag out the team that has man handled you every season but the last one when you guys needed people outside of hawkesbury to make you into something competitive outside of a stat booster for the opponents, and even after all that, you guys lose, i guess you can never take the losing lifestyle thats been with the association for sooo many years,

So div 2 semi's is sh*t, hey how many times you got even there? i guess if there was a div 3 semi's you guys would still miss out, OOOOHHHH wait, you need Penrith players to take you at least somewhere.

So in the end all you have said is that the Jets fail with players who actually live in redneckville, and that you need players from everywhere NOT in Hawkesbury to get some wins. hahahahaha, you fail as much as your team.

At least your screen name matches your team.

Thanks for some funny reading though.

[StiLL Momentum]

Before this gets crazy... lol! I do give props to the big fella. He does do consistently well every game and can hold his own in SL. Aswel with their PG Rhys i think. I consider him to be a very good player. Other then that they need some HUGE help from Penrith... lol!

Yeah the Big fella carries em no doubt, and Rhys is the only player on the team that can create a shot. Outside of that it's downhill and seeing there arent too many penrith players for them to poach they wont do too well.

[stylin]

Man this gets full on here...

Its good to see rivalry is still alive in SL. But can get taken abit to hard at times.

[Prodigal]

Yeah....the amount of crap that gets talked in here might lead you to think that SL was actually for people that could play, not broken down old blokes who can't retire gracefully or young guys without the commitment or ability to play at a decent level :D

(For those who don't fall into those categories....just kidding ok)

[Macattack]

seriously who gives a **** about div 2 thats just for teams that weren't good enough.


Div 2 Finals is for the teams who weren't consistent enough through the season to get into the top 2 of their pool.

The final 2 teams of Div 2 would be plenty good enough to take on the final 2 teams of Div 1.

Lets see Hornsby, Illawarra, Crusaders, Heat all of them on their day would make some close games.

Its like taking the top 4 NRL teams and saying their Div 1
Then taking the next 4 NRL teams and saying their Div 2
It doesn't make sence

To translate to bball
Top 8 Teams Div 1
Next 8 Teams Div 2
Next 13 Teams Div 3; Congrats can't play, you've fallen from Div 1 to Div 3, now I can see why your so emotional.

The current end of year split is unable to bring the best teams head to head for a final Div 1 flag.
Example: What if Pool C had 4 superior teams to the rest of the Pools, they don't get a chance to prove themselves against each other and everyone else, Pool C may end up with a Div 1 flag and a Div 2 flag.
Both these teams should have a playoff just to confirm the best team got the right flag. And also just so I can watch another game,... or play ;)

[StiLL Momentum]

Yeah....the amount of crap that gets talked in here might lead you to think that SL was actually for people that could play, not broken down old blokes who can't retire gracefully or young guys without the commitment or ability to play at a decent level :D

(For those who don't fall into those categories....just kidding ok)

I dont fall into this as im not good enough nor am i young....so WOOT!!!!!

Yeah this does get carried far at times, just funny tho, because there are guys here that are so easy to get under their skin, but it is humorous for the readers right? so there you go.

[StiLL Momentum]

Jets lost (no one is suprised), but they lost to a Panthers team without Hawkes, Wells, Peterson injured and Slack was hurt during the game. Daly was the main standout for the Jets.

Scorchers beat Glebe also, was a close game for a team that really tried their best in Glebe.

[stylin]

Heat beat Bankstown. Wasnt at the game but was about 15?

How did Bathurst v Sutherland go?

[Prodigal]

Heat beat Bankstown. Wasnt at the game but was about 15?

How did Bathurst v Sutherland go?

Sharks won. Not sure by how many

[stylin]

Well hear's the results for the finals...

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Top two teams in each pool go through with same as 3rd and 4th for second finals.

Week One – 31st - 1st July
Game G – 1C v 1A Venue to be decided on highest Win/Place percentage, if tied the highest points percentage.
Game H – 1B v 1D Venue to be decided on highest Win/Place percentage, if tied the highest points percentage.
Game I – 2C v 2A Venue to be decided on highest Win/Place percentage, if tied the highest points percentage.
Game J – 2B v 2D Venue to be decided on highest Win/Place percentage, if tied the highest points percentage.
Week Two – 7th – 8th August
Game K - Loser G v Winner J
Game L - Loser H v Winner I
Week Three - 14th – 15th August Finals Weekend
Saturday
Game M - Winner G v Winner L
Game N - Winner H v Winner K
Sunday
Game O - Winner M v Winner N

[stylin]

So first week of finals are (goes of team percentages for home)

Div1
Coffs Harbour v Hornsby
Queanbeyan v Penrith
Illawarra v Ballina
Griffith v Sutherland

Div2
Central Coast v Port Macquarie
Macarthur v Illawarra
Lake Macquarie v Tamworth
Springwood v Mossvale

[Jackit]

Yes but only in games "between the teams tied".

As far back as I can recall it has been done that way when teams are tied on points:
1. win-loss in games involving the tied teams only
2. for/against in games involving the tied teams only

& then only if the teams still can't be split....
3. for/against in all games in the competition

& finally
4. coin toss (& Heaven knows there are plenty of tossers in basketball ;))

Well, in pool c it looks as though lake Mac got through to div 2 finals over newy green. Both teams finished 8-8 but newy green has better points for/against between the 2 teams. Lake Mac have better points for/against in comp but this shouldn't matter right?

[Skindog the Hawk]

Well, in pool c it looks as though lake Mac got through to div 2 finals over newy green. Both teams finished 8-8 but newy green has better points for/against between the 2 teams. Lake Mac have better points for/against in comp but this shouldn't matter right?

If both Lake Mac & Newy Green are tied then Newy Green should get in based on having the better for-and-against in their games against Lake Mac, as the season split was 1-1.

Round 11 saw Lake Mac defeat Newy Green 77-63, however Newy Green got theirs back in Round 16, defeating Lake Mac 94-72.

Based on what I can see, Newy Green should be in 4th spot, not Lake Mac...is this another BNSW screwup?

SD.

[stylin]

Yeh it should be head to head otherwise Mac Heat would be in 2nd over Sharks in Pool D.

So it should be Tamworth v Newcastle Green

[StiLL Momentum]

Yeh it should be head to head otherwise Mac Heat would be in 2nd over Sharks in Pool D.

So it should be Tamworth v Newcastle Green

Good to see BNSW never seems to fail at making a annual screw up.

[Jackit]

Thanks for the clarification. This is basic stuff.. I know you guys get pretty critical of bnsw and I can now see why if they make mistakes like this. I hope they can pick up their game next season.

[THE VIKING]

If both Lake Mac & Newy Green are tied then Newy Green should get in based on having the better for-and-against in their games against Lake Mac, as the season split was 1-1.

Round 11 saw Lake Mac defeat Newy Green 77-63, however Newy Green got theirs back in Round 16, defeating Lake Mac 94-72.

Based on what I can see, Newy Green should be in 4th spot, not Lake Mac...is this another BNSW screwup?

SD.

I agree skin the rule has ALWAYS been since year one game one if tied first is for and against BETWEEN TWO TEAMS INVOLVED, I think they (BNSW) have gotten confused and got it wrong. If I was newy green I would be having a discussion very quickly with BNSW

[THE VIKING]

Why tip Hornsby to make the GF. Last time they made it they got smashed by Vikings at home in Grafton, they routinely underestimate country hoops and over estimate their ability. I have not seen them play so don't know. So who has seen them and why are they hot fav's to make top 2?

[Daevo]

Hornsby has a strong, well-balanced team this year with very few weak links & several ABA veterans with big game experience like Daryl Pepito, Dave Bastian, Matt Williamson & Tom Wilder. They are all great mates which shows in their teamwork on court.

I said at the start of the year that Hornsby could be a threat & they've certainly proven that. I haven't seen enough of the other teams to rate them as favourites but they are one of the few teams I know that would give a full-strength Penrith a run for their money. With Hawkesley looking unlikely to play again this year, it's going to be tough for Penrith to make it 4 in a row but if their other bigs are fit then I wouldn't write them off.

[Cesar]

Hornsby are a cohesive unit, it's ridiculous how their chemistry works. Individually, a lot of their players won't wow you but they just gel.

Lots of talk, everyone plays within their limitations, the team makeup ensures that individual flaws are "hidden", ie guards aren't great defenders in some cases, then they have 3 bigs who are great help defenders, etc.

Their balance is ridiculous, a couple of solid penetrators, shooters on the wings but their key weapons are the ABA standard bigs. Dave Bastian is pretty unstoppable at SL level.

Hoping they take out the whole thing!

[Jackit]

Looks like bnsw have done the math and newy green are through to div 2 finals. I think I'll still send them a calculator for Xmas though :D

Ccc should have div 2 in the bag.

Div 1 is very tough to pick but I do like Hornsby.

[stylin]

Why tip Hornsby to make the GF. Last time they made it they got smashed by Vikings at home in Grafton, they routinely underestimate country hoops and over estimate their ability. I have not seen them play so don't know. So who has seen them and why are they hot fav's to make top 2?

Yeh Viking its a completely different team. A few of my mates came out of ABA to just have fun and play at Hornsby. They are a very good team this year and they should role into finals weekend.

Good for BNSW to fix their mistake. Whos the tips for this weekends games?

Div1
Coffs Harbour v Hornsby - Hornsby by 10 cause Coffs seems tuff this year.
Queanbeyan v Penrith - Penrith but only just as Queanbeyan got better this year & Penriths injuries.
Illawarra v Ballina - Illawarra 15+
Griffith v Sutherland - Sutherland 15+

Div2
Central Coast v Port Macquarie - Central Coast 15+
Macarthur v Illawarra - Mac 15+
Tamworth v Newcastle Green? - No idea but going Tamworth by 1.
Springwood v Mossvale - Springwood 15+

[Macattack]

Ccc should have div 2 in the bag.

CCC had the best shooting for / against % in the league at 150%, its a shame their not in Div 1 so we can see some good finals games. CCC have enough ex-ABA players to take on Hornsby ex-ABA players.

Div 2 should be a walk in the park for CCC. When you average 95 points a game your going to be bloody hard to beat. Heat can pile on the points when they want, come week 2 of the finals, it will be good to see if they can do it against CCC.

[The Unbias Bias]

Yeh Viking its a completely different team. A few of my mates came out of ABA to just have fun and play at Hornsby. They are a very good team this year and they should role into finals weekend.

Good for BNSW to fix their mistake. Whos the tips for this weekends games?

Div1
Coffs Harbour v Hornsby - Hornsby by 10 cause Coffs seems tuff this year.
Queanbeyan v Penrith - Penrith but only just as Queanbeyan got better this year & Penriths injuries.
Illawarra v Ballina - Illawarra 15+
Griffith v Sutherland - Sutherland 15+

Div2
Central Coast v Port Macquarie - Central Coast 15+
Macarthur v Illawarra - Mac 15+
Tamworth v Newcastle Green? - No idea but going Tamworth by 1.
Springwood v Mossvale - Springwood 15+

I'd have to agree with almost everyone of your picks stylin. Springwood's game against moss vale appears to have been moved to Friday night since they have their 'local championships' whatever that is on saturday, great association planning on their part. guess they just assumed moss vale would never be making the semis so this weekend would've be free. CCC and Macarthur are the obvious favourites for div 2.

I'll go with:

Div1
Coffs Harbour v Hornsby - Hornsby by 8.
Queanbeyan v Penrith - I reckon there'll be next to nothing in this game, less than 5 points either way. I honestly can't pick who i'm favouring so i'll go Queanbeyan by 3 as a guess.
Illawarra v Ballina - Illawarra 18 (will be a long trip home for ballina, congrats to illawarra for finally making div 1 finals after 2 years of unlucky setbacks)
Griffith v Sutherland - Sutherland by 5.

Div2
Central Coast v Port Macquarie - Central Coast by 25.
Macarthur v Illawarra - Mac by 21.
Tamworth v Newcastle Green - No idea also so Newcastle Green by 2.
Springwood v Mossvale - Springwood by 17.

Div3
Hawkesbury Jets v ......... - oh wait, my bad, enjoy the off season boys!

I don't see Sutherland going very far in div 1, they appeared to have been in peak form around mid season and have tired out since then. Pity Macarthur had their down form mid season since they are the form team from pool d at the moment.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Coffs v. Hornsby is an interesting one - the Spiders have to travel north (by virtue of having the worse record) to face Shanahan's men, who have been challenged by Ballina and not much more this season. Hornsby's 14-2 record in Pool C does give them a strong backing and to be honest, I can see this as being a possible Grand Final preview. Coffs by 3 (home court advantage rules here).

Penrith v. QBN should see the Yowies go straight through here. Whilst Pool B may not be as tough as Pool D, the Panthers haven't entirely been "on song" lately (granted beating Hawkesbury and Bathurst, but losing to Bankstown?!??) and QBN haven't skipped a beat themselves all season. They simply play consistent, low-mistake ball, keeping up with you all game and then crushing you when you slip up. I'd guess QBN by about 10-ish.

The last game in Div 1 is Griffith v. Sutherland - again, a long trip for the Sharks to face the Demons, who will be stinging after losing last weekend to Illawarra. Rod Proctor and co. should be reasonably business-like (as usual), however again home court advantage will be a factor. The Sharks dropped one 2 weeks ago to Macarthur (86-59), and like Penrith their last two wins have come at the expense of only Hawkesbury & Bathurst. Demons by 7.

In Division 2, Newcastle Green are reasonably strong and large, and whilst I haven't seen Tamworth at all this season, a 7-8 record in Pool A (where there are only 6 teams) doesn't exactly strike fear into my heart when you're comparing it with Newcastle's 8-8 record in a tougher Pool C. Hence, Newy Green by about 10-15 is my tip.

I guess everyone missed Illawarra knocking off Griffith in the final week of Pool B last weekend? Reportedly they played quite well and were quite happy with themselves. Will be interesting to see whether they can carry that form over into their clash with Macarthur Saturday night.

Crusaders host Port Macquarie, and should crush them fairly simply, whilst Moss Vale travelling to Springwood should see the Scorchers pick up a decent win and progress to play the loser of CCC/Port Macquarie in next week's semi-finals.

This is looking like a fun weekend :)

SD.

[THE VIKING]

Yeh Viking its a completely different team. A few of my mates came out of ABA to just have fun and play at Hornsby. They are a very good team this year and they should role into finals weekend.

Good for BNSW to fix their mistake. Whos the tips for this weekends games?

Div1
Coffs Harbour v Hornsby - Hornsby by 10 cause Coffs seems tuff this year.
Queanbeyan v Penrith - Penrith but only just as Queanbeyan got better this year & Penriths injuries.
Illawarra v Ballina - Illawarra 15+
Griffith v Sutherland - Sutherland 15+

Div2
Central Coast v Port Macquarie - Central Coast 15+
Macarthur v Illawarra - Mac 15+
Tamworth v Newcastle Green? - No idea but going Tamworth by 1.
Springwood v Mossvale - Springwood 15+

Yeah Stylin I agree with your tips although Coffs may ambush Hornsby. If Hornsby's bigs are any good Coffs could be in trouble. I think the strength or lack there of in this pool this year is making Coffs appear better than they are. ALSO as I have said in the past one negative of this structure has been the decline in regular tough games for the one or two good teams up here. Ability aside we are not match tough as the top teams tend to do it easily. That being said Coffs have some good players and are a good team. If the Bledisloe Cup was not on I would probably drive down and watch the game. Coffs have a good big LOUD home crowd which is sometimes an advantage over city teams who struggle to draw relatives to the games;)

[THE VIKING]

On the finals. Back to one of personal peeves. I ser BNSW has moved the Finals back to the "country" all the way to Newcastle!!:confused: Guess it will be metro's turn next year. maybe Tamworth will put in to host it at their brand new venue although I am sure the BNSW will find a reason to not go there.

[Daevo]

I'd rate Hornsby's Dave Bastian as one of the best bigs in the league. He doesn't have Hawkesley's athleticism or Godwin's size but he plays smart & can get the job done inside. They have a couple of other decent bigs in Wilder & Cuk as well so the crowd might need to be very LOUD to get the home team over the line.

[Prodigal]

Yeah Stylin I agree with your tips although Coffs may ambush Hornsby. If Hornsby's bigs are any good Coffs could be in trouble. I think the strength or lack there of in this pool this year is making Coffs appear better than they are. ALSO as I have said in the past one negative of this structure has been the decline in regular tough games for the one or two good teams up here. Ability aside we are not match tough as the top teams tend to do it easily. That being said Coffs have some good players and are a good team. If the Bledisloe Cup was not on I would probably drive down and watch the game. Coffs have a good big LOUD home crowd which is sometimes an advantage over city teams who struggle to draw relatives to the games;)


Well to be fair the country teams do have an advantage there when they can bring their girlfriend who frequently IS a relative :p

[THE VIKING]

:Well to be fair the country teams do have an advantage there when they can bring their girlfriend who frequently IS a relative :p

:p:p:p:p Touche. At least out here we know our parents!:cool:

[stylin]

Lol! True, the only crowd seems to be girlfriends and wives at the city games...

HAHA! Just saw the gf posts... Nice for a laugh.

Thats also the bad for country teams.. They arnt used to hard games every second week. Thats what will hurt teams like Queanbeyan at most. We played them the past 2 years for the first round of finals and have pumped them quite easily. I think they have gotten better this year though with a few extra guys so im expecting better things for them. Penrith watch out for the guy who dresses up as Chewbacca and hits a bin turned upside down... lol! Good atmosphere.

[The Unbias Bias]

Coffs v. Hornsby is an interesting one - the Spiders have to travel north (by virtue of having the worse record) to face Shanahan's men, who have been challenged by Ballina and not much more this season. Hornsby's 14-2 record in Pool C does give them a strong backing and to be honest, I can see this as being a possible Grand Final preview. Coffs by 3 (home court advantage rules here).

Penrith v. QBN should see the Yowies go straight through here. Whilst Pool B may not be as tough as Pool D, the Panthers haven't entirely been "on song" lately (granted beating Hawkesbury and Bathurst, but losing to Bankstown?!??) and QBN haven't skipped a beat themselves all season. They simply play consistent, low-mistake ball, keeping up with you all game and then crushing you when you slip up. I'd guess QBN by about 10-ish.

The last game in Div 1 is Griffith v. Sutherland - again, a long trip for the Sharks to face the Demons, who will be stinging after losing last weekend to Illawarra. Rod Proctor and co. should be reasonably business-like (as usual), however again home court advantage will be a factor. The Sharks dropped one 2 weeks ago to Macarthur (86-59), and like Penrith their last two wins have come at the expense of only Hawkesbury & Bathurst. Demons by 7.

In Division 2, Newcastle Green are reasonably strong and large, and whilst I haven't seen Tamworth at all this season, a 7-8 record in Pool A (where there are only 6 teams) doesn't exactly strike fear into my heart when you're comparing it with Newcastle's 8-8 record in a tougher Pool C. Hence, Newy Green by about 10-15 is my tip.

I guess everyone missed Illawarra knocking off Griffith in the final week of Pool B last weekend? Reportedly they played quite well and were quite happy with themselves. Will be interesting to see whether they can carry that form over into their clash with Macarthur Saturday night.

Crusaders host Port Macquarie, and should crush them fairly simply, whilst Moss Vale travelling to Springwood should see the Scorchers pick up a decent win and progress to play the loser of CCC/Port Macquarie in next week's semi-finals.

This is looking like a fun weekend :)

SD.

I think you've got it wrong SD, the winner or Springwood v Mossvale plays the loser of Mac v illawarra (from pool b). The draw i read outlined that you don't cross over to play the other pools (A & C for pools B & D) until the Finals Weekend. So if Springwood win against Mossvale we will play the loser of Mac v Illawarra at their home court, then the winner of that will play the winner of the Port v CCC game at Newcastle.

[Clips]

Penrith watch out for the guy who dresses up as Chewbacca and hits a bin turned upside down... lol! Good atmosphere.
Chewbacca?! That's a Yowie mate. One of the Gunners boys last few years...

[StiLL Momentum]

Springwood vs Mossvale was played last night, Springwood won by 15ish with 3 of their starting lineup out also. It was a tough game for the first half with Springwood PG Lee dropping a 3 from near half court to put up the Scorchers by 2 and then they ran away with the game in the next half.

I am going down tonight to watch the Heat game. See ya there Stylin.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Macarthur 77 d Illawarra 68. Hawks led by 3 at the half, but got run over in the third quarter and just couldn't get it down in the fourth.

Apparently the other Illawarra side flogged Ballina by 37.

Any other results ladies and gents?

SD.

[Daevo]

Penrith down by 2 after going basket for basket all game.

[THE VIKING]

Macarthur 77 d Illawarra 68. Hawks led by 3 at the half, but got run over in the third quarter and just couldn't get it down in the fourth.

Apparently the other Illawarra side flogged Ballina by 37.

Any other results ladies and gents?

SD.

Hornsby over Coffs by three. I wasnt at game thats all i know

[StiLL Momentum]

Penrith down by 2 after going basket for basket all game.

They should smack next weeks team though.

Watched the Heat game, good game.

[The Unbias Bias]

So far I'm 6/6 in my picks on the winners, margins were very close in a few of them as well. Any news on Sutherland v Griffith & Newcastle v Tamworth?

[mm08]

Sutho went down by 9 to Griffith. Thats all i know.

[A Higher Authority]

Same question as WBL - does anyone know who plays whom next weekend?

Div 1

Div 2

[stylin]

Yeh Heat won but played bad. Just didnt click until the 2nd half. Both teams had 8 players. So benchs didnt go deep. Number 7 from Hawks played very well. hes like an Energizer bunny and doesnt stop.

Bold teams are winners

Div1
Coffs Harbour 56 v Hornsby 61 (Get the week off)
Queanbeyan 79 v Penrith 77 (Get the week off) I called this!
Illawarra 91 v Ballina 54
Griffith 79 v Sutherland 70

Ballina & Sutherland are GONE!

Div2
Central Coast 80 v Port Macquarie 72 (Get the week off)
Macarthur 77 v Illawarra 68 (Get the week off)
Tamworth 61 v Newcastle Green 58
Springwood 68 v Mossvale 52

Mossvale & Newcastle Green are gone!

Next week has (I think its right?)
Div1
Coffs Harbour v Griffith with Coffs at home. (Coffs to win)
Penrith v Illawarra with Penrith at home. (Illawarra knocking out Penrith)
Div2
Illawarra v Springwood with Illa at home. (Illawarra to win)
Port Macquarie v Tamworth with Port at home. (Port Macquarie to win)

Yep its right - Here is the BNSW draw for next weekend already - http://www.nswbasketball.net.au/events/2010/SBL/Youth%20Women/documents/Finals_Draw_000.pdf

[Skindog the Hawk]

According to the BNSW website, CCC defeated Port 80-72. No result yet for Tamworth / Newcastle.

SD.

[Skindog the Hawk]

With regards to Youth League Men, Comets d. Central Coast 83-73, giving them 1st spot and Crusaders 2nd spot. Macarthur have 3rd, with two huge wins over Penrith & Sutherland to finish 17-5. Manly beat Hornsby to sew up 4th spot, while Hills & Bankstown ended up tied on 12-10 - the Bruins end up 5th, courtesy of holding a 2-0 split on the Hornets.

Hence, Youth league men Division 1 finals should be:
Sydney Comets v. Hills Hornets
Central Coast Crusaders v. Bankstown Bruins
Macarthur Heat v. Manly Sea Eagles

SD.

[StiLL Momentum]

Div 1
Griffith @ Coffs (Coffs should take that comfortably)
Illawarra 1 @ Penrith (Illawarra to win by less than 10)
Div2
Springwood @ Illawarra (Springwood by 5-10)
Tamworth @ Port Maq (Port Maq 10+)

[Daevo]

I believe that the winner of Coffs vs Griffith will play Queanbeyan in the semi-final so there will certainly be a country team in the final. If Illawarra make it through as well then it will be an all-country final (although I gather from comments here that the "true" country associations class Illlwarra/Newcastle as city).

[stylin]

I believe that the winner of Coffs vs Griffith will play Queanbeyan in the semi-final so there will certainly be a country team in the final. If Illawarra make it through as well then it will be an all-country final (although I gather from comments here that the "true" country associations class Illlwarra/Newcastle as city).

Thats great news. Could be first time in years since Pool D hasn't won. And yes Illawarra most would class as city.

[THE VIKING]

I believe that the winner of Coffs vs Griffith will play Queanbeyan in the semi-final so there will certainly be a country team in the final. If Illawarra make it through as well then it will be an all-country final (although I gather from comments here that the "true" country associations class Illlwarra/Newcastle as city).

That is correct daevo!! coffs may make the show....interesting!!

[Daevo]

Illawarra over Penrith in a nail-biter 74-71. Despite a surprise early return by Ben Hawkesley, Penrith were slow to get into rhythm allowing Illawarra to open up a double point lead. Penrith ground their way back into the game to be square at half time then pushed out to a 13 point lead in the 3rd before some poor offensive sets & turnovers allowed Illawarra to close the gap & set up an exciting final quarter. Illawarra was great from outside all game but it was 2 offensive boards that won it for them including the basket that left Penrith with a 3-point deficit with only seconds to play. Penrith had their chances including a 3-point shot on the buzzer that came oh so close but the pre-season favourites are out leaving Hornsby as the sole Sydney team in the finals.

Go Spiders!

[A Higher Authority]

Scorchers down by 2 to the "other" Illawarra 'so that's all folks' for western Sydney in SL men.

[StiLL Momentum]

Scorchers down by 2 to the "other" Illawarra 'so that's all folks' for western Sydney in SL men.

Yup, that was a tough game to watch. The fact the coach from Illawarra even said "It was wrong the way they won due to the reffing" He said it was not right and he felt bad about it. I give that man credit for being honest about it.

In the end, the hawks shot extremely well and the Scorchers were not hungry enough and Illawarra was.

Good win to the hawks and good luck at the finals weekend.

[stylin]

Any other results for the country games?

Penrith GONE! After Hawksley got injured i knew they wouldnt last long in the finals...

[Daevo]

Stylin: did you miss the bit about Hawkesley playing on the weekend?

[stylin]

Stylin: did you miss the bit about Hawkesley playing on the weekend?

Na i read it but seriously that was way to early to come back from the pics i saw. How did he play?

Weeknd results are up

Div1
Coffs Harbour 117 def Griffith 79 - Expected this.
Illawarra 74 def Penrith 71

Div2
Port Macquarie 88 def Tamworth 48 - Huge win!
Illawarra 80 def Springwood 78

So makes it

Coffs Harbour v Queanbeyan at 9am
Illawarra v Hornsby at 9am

11am Grand Final. Definetly a country team into the Grand Final! Im going Hornsby v Coffs with an Hornsby win by 5.

Macarthur v Port Macquarie at 2pm
Central Coast v Illawarra at 2pm

1.30pm Grand Final. Should be Macarthur v Central Coast. This couldve been the Div1 final aswell. I have to say Mac to get it but only by 3.

[Daevo]

He was certainly not at his best but I'd put that down to not being match fit more than anything since he didn't seem too concerned about the elbow (which was strapped/padded).

[THE VIKING]

Na i read it but seriously that was way to early to come back from the pics i saw. How did he play?

Weeknd results are up

Div1
Coffs Harbour 117 def Griffith 79 - Expected this.
Illawarra 74 def Penrith 71

Div2
Port Macquarie 88 def Tamworth 48 - Huge win!
Illawarra 80 def Springwood 78

So makes it

Coffs Harbour v Queanbeyan at 9am
Illawarra v Hornsby at 9am

11am Grand Final. Definetly a country team into the Grand Final! Im going Hornsby v Coffs with an Hornsby win by 5.

Macarthur v Port Macquarie at 2pm
Central Coast v Illawarra at 2pm

1.30pm Grand Final. Should be Macarthur v Central Coast. This couldve been the Div1 final aswell. I have to say Mac to get it but only by 3.

BLOODY HELL. The Vikings needed to stay together one more season. We would have beat this Coffs team last year by 20. AND they only lost to Hornsby by 3. MAAATe thats sport for ya!!! Go the Country teams and as much as it hurts to say go the Suns. 9am is a crap time for a semi!!!!!!! Why have the teams playingoff for 9th spot (div 2) got the better game times?

[stylin]

Why have the teams playingoff for 9th spot (div 2) got the better game times?

Cause Heat and Crusaders should be the Div1 finalists... lol!

[A Higher Authority]

The early games are only the SF's on Saturday.
The GF is at a far better time of the day, just before the first of the two WBL GF's.

[Daevo]

Then why penalise the state league div 1 men with such an early semi? Surely the order of play should be YL2, YL1, SL2, SL1 & then WABL for both semis & finals.

[A Higher Authority]

It's interesting the SL Div 1 men play their GF at 11 or 11.30am whilst the SL Div 1 have the following time slot - a reverse of the usual order which always had the men's game at each level following the women.

[The Unbias Bias]

Then why penalise the state league div 1 men with such an early semi? Surely the order of play should be YL2, YL1, SL2, SL1 & then WABL for both semis & finals.

My guess is BNSW is smart enough to know that the Div 2 grand final will be of higher quality then the Div 1 Final..... just throwing it out there, although we all know that's just idiotic lol they aren't that smart. And stylin if Macarthur deserved to be in Div 1 they would be, enjoy being Runners Up in Div 2.

[Daevo]

Maybe we need a cross-over final with the winner of Div 1 playing the winner of Div 2 to put this beyond doubt :p

Seriously, I think this whole Div 2 consolation finals series is a farce. If you want a Division 2 then it should clearly be a separate competition where teams are playing others of similar strength. Why the 3rd & 4th best teams in each pool get the bonus of a finals weekend apprearance is beyond me.

[Jackit]

Scrap Div2 finals... Just have the Div1 finals but send more teams through from each pool to fight it out. This would mean we would need to extend the finals over 1 or 2 more weekends. A little bit of extra travel for those additional weekends but who cares.

The reason Heat and CCC aren't in the Div1 finals this year is because they don't deserve to be there. You can blame injuries, reffing, tougher pools, a full moon, or whatever, but as surprising as it may sound to some people, they were simply not good enough to get through.

For this year though, Div1 title winner V Div2 final winner would be great to watch. Surely the clubs can set it up without the invovlement of BNSW and maybe charge a couple of bucks for entry. I would make the trip to Hornsby to watch it for sure :)

[A Higher Authority]

Marquiss of Queensbury rules or UFC?

[stylin]

Then why penalise the state league div 1 men with such an early semi? Surely the order of play should be YL2, YL1, SL2, SL1 & then WABL for both semis & finals.

I agree with this. Normally is runs like you said? Goes women then mens. Cant be changed now as im guessing people have booked all their accomodation and travel etc...

[StiLL Momentum]

The reason you guys aint in div 1 is cos you dont deserve to be there otherwise you would have been stylin. Either way, I doubt you guys will cross the line vs the Crusaders.

I like the idea Jackit of adding more teams to div 1 finals. Would be more fun.

Daveo, I agree, if they are going to have a div 2 finals, they should then have a completely different comp.

I am looking forward to this weekend. Look forward to seeing the div 1 and div 2 finals.

[stylin]

Yeh they dont deserve to be there as they lost by 32 to Sutherland which was unexceptable. But the guys have dealt with it so what can you do. All im saying is that Central Coast and Macarthur are very good teams and they can compete and win with the likes of the 4 teams left for the Div1 title.

There could be some kind of change to the system to allow more teams into the finals but at fair the top 2 is final. They cant make a top 3 and top 1 from other pools. It would just be to hard to work out as you cant be certain some teams from country have got stronger and city teams weaker? It just shows that you have to win in the close pools like C & D this season. If you drop a game to a weaker team then you dont stand a chance to make the finals. Prb makes the season mean a lot more to the players.

But what i can say is that this season made it so much better for Pools C and D. Atleast you had 4 top teams go through to the finals when if the pools were the same as previous years only 2 of them wouldve made the finals.

Atleast the concilatoin final for Div 2 will be a good game? Just shows the strength of the SBL teams this year.

I wont be there this weekend :( Im away as i thought they wouldve had the finals last week like the usual 1st weekend of the month. So i will just have to watch video. But best of luck to everyone.

[Jackit]

But you could send an extra team to the Div1 finals from Pool C and an extra team from Pool D based on the size of the pools compared to the others... i think that's fair.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Maybe an idea would be to have the top 4 teams from each pool qualify for "post-season" - 4 groups of 4, playing 3 games each at a central venue over a weekend.
Group 1 - 1A, 2B, 3C, 4D
Group 2 - 2A, 3B, 4C, 1D
Group 3 - 3A, 4B, 1C, 2D
Group 4 - 4A, 1B, 2C, 3D

Each team plays their group-mates, with top 2 teams from each group becoming the 8 qualifiers for semi-finals. If Pools C & D are as strong as they think, then we'll possibly have 6 or so teams from there qualifying for finals.

How you get it down from 8 teams to 4 for the Finals weekend is up for grabs...I'd probably prefer to play 1st of group v. 1st of group for direct-entry, with loser playing the winner of 2nd v. 2nd (as a second chance of sorts).

It would be a tad more complicated, and you'd need to book a venue for the central venue weekend (although I know a couple that'd be available, of course!), however it would dispel this whole crap about which pool is stronger (or not).

No matter what, I'm still looking forward to Finals weekend in Newie!

SD.

[Daevo]

Queanbeyan doing a number on Coffs but no livestats from Hornsby vs Illawarra :argh:

[Skindog the Hawk]

Illawarra defeat Hornsby 70-68. Spiders looked to have it sewn up with a minute to play when Pepito hit back to back 3's, however some stops from the Seahawks and some costly turnovers saw the Illawarra team get the W. Queanbeyan v Illawarra tomorrow for the final..

[Daevo]

Well that's a shock - I don't think anybody picked that.

[EightyEight]

wouldn't call it a shock. there was only a few points f/a all year and was only a 2 pts game???

[Skindog the Hawk]

Youth League Men Div 2 finishing up on the backcourts..Parramatta being done by about 20 by Newcastle and Ryde leading Maitland by about 15..both games with only a couple of minutes to play, so looking like Newcastle v Ryde for the Div2 Youth Men title tomorrow..

SD

[The Unbias Bias]

Wow the play by play says it all for Hornsby, 3 Turnovers and a missed 3 to finish the match. Up by 6 with under a minute to go, that loss will stick with them for a long time I'd imagine. Terrible way to end the season for a team that went so well all year.

[Daevo]

They got Hornsby the same way they got Penrith with offensive boards in the final minutes but those turnovers must have really hurt.

[THE VIKING]

It has been a while and I am still not a believer that Illawarra are a country team BUT they are not metro i guess. Maybe now the bleeting will stop about how the pools with the majority city teams should get a larger number of teams through to first round of finals....probably not:rolleyes: but it will be somewhat hollow now:o

Go queanbeyan Yowies:p

[THE VIKING]

[QUOTE=Jackit;237127]Scrap Div2 finals... Just have the Div1 finals but send more teams through from each pool to fight it out. This would mean we would need to extend the finals over 1 or 2 more weekends. A little bit of extra travel for those additional weekends but who cares.

Where do u live Jackit, the FAR travelling country teams WOULD care it costs MONEY to travel large distances and it is not a safe thing when tired. Considering that when the finals are in the "country" they are either Newy, Woolongong or even worse Gosford, that still means metro don't travel as far as country. Any way why bring third and fourth ranked teams in. You are either top two or not. If you cannot finish top 2 in your own pool you will not win anyway regardless of pool size. So to me it would
1. Cheapen the series by allowing wannabes to play
2. Make it too expensive and
3. I just don't like the idea or see the point excepth to maybe stroke some bruised egos.

[The Unbias Bias]

It has been a while and I am still not a believer that Illawarra are a country team BUT they are not metro i guess. Maybe now the bleeting will stop about how the pools with the majority city teams should get a larger number of teams through to first round of finals....probably not:rolleyes: but it will be somewhat hollow now:o

Go queanbeyan Yowies:p

Well when the top ranked and far superior (in pool A) Coffs Harbour Suns get embarrassed at finals weekend by the best real country team this season (Queanbeyan) it would suggest that at least pool A don't deserve 2 spots in div 1 because for this season at least they weren't div 1 quality. Penrith lost to Queanbeyan away by 2 and lost a close semi at home to Illawarra by 2, so obviously they'd have had a bigger impact at finals weekend than coffs. Sorry i forgot to even mention Ballina wasting everyone's time by turning up to get flogged by 40 at Illawarra. If anything all this tells us is that pool a should get 1 team at most into div 1, Macarthur would've given Queanbeyan a better run, not to mention CCC. To be honest the div 2 final will most likely be a better game to watch then the div 1 final.

[THE VIKING]

Well when the top ranked and far superior (in pool A) Coffs Harbour Suns get embarrassed at finals weekend by the best real country team this season (Queanbeyan) it would suggest that at least pool A don't deserve 2 spots in div 1 because for this season at least they weren't div 1 quality. Penrith lost to Queanbeyan away by 2 and lost a close semi at home to Illawarra by 2, so obviously they'd have had a bigger impact at finals weekend than coffs. Sorry i forgot to even mention Ballina wasting everyone's time by turning up to get flogged by 40 at Illawarra. If anything all this tells us is that pool a should get 1 team at most into div 1, Macarthur would've given Queanbeyan a better run, not to mention CCC. To be honest the div 2 final will most likely be a better game to watch then the div 1 final.

Of course you are right bias. The Sydney teams should get more teams in the finals series just because they are always dominan:rolleyes:t. Problem is how do you decide which Sydney pool as loyalty to a particular club seems to be lacking down there:o. A few monthe ago I said on here that the Suns would struggle because the strength of the pool up here was not real flash this year but you seem to forget that Coffs only lost by 4 to HORNSBY who were the short favourite to win on this forum last week!! So by your amazing logic a bad game means that the whole of Pool A into the future should only get one team. That is plain ridiculous!! Of course pool A deserve two teams like every other pool they pay their nomination money and regos like everyone else so should be entitled to the same representation and in the recent past have been competitive in the top two with the Vikings, Lismore and Tamworth and I am pretty sure Port Macquarie put up a good showing in div 2 last year (albeit they were only playing off for 9th :D) and onkly went down to the Heat by 6 this year. As I have said in the past the current pool system is not conducive of quality basketball but it is cost effective. I don't have the answers unless we go back to two pools which in my opinion was the best but again very expensive for the north, south and west extremities of the league and was proving to be unsustainable for them, as an aside when it was two pools I seem to remember country teams taking it to the apparently more dominant city teams both at home and away. This would be the way to go but would in my opinion require the city teams to reach into their pockets a little more too to put a travel equalisation system in place to spread the cost burden, would they be willing, I like to think yes but I hazard a guess and risk criticism when I say the self-interest down there by some clubs, not all, would probably see them say bad luck you live in the country so you pay!! So we are left with the less than ideal 4 pools.

Finally my point still remains if a team cannot finish top two from the regular season then they probably will not win anyway because two teams are better than them at least, so they do not deserve a spot in a final series!:cool:

[The Unbias Bias]

Everyone knows that country teams play a lot better at home then they do away (Finals weekend at a central venue) nearly always shows what they're like away from home. Everyone plays better at home generally. You get Coffs to play Hornsby at home it could well have been a 20 point + loss. When you see Ballina having to travel all that way for a huge loss it just makes you question why you'd make the poor guys have to go that far. I'd almost prefer to see a semi finals system within each pool then the winner of that (or the 2 finalists from the finals within that pool) going to a finals weekend of 6 teams. Say 2 country and 4 metro.

[Jackit]

Where do u live Jackit, the FAR travelling country teams WOULD care it costs MONEY to travel large distances and it is not a safe thing when tired. Considering that when the finals are in the "country" they are either Newy, Woolongong or even worse Gosford, that still means metro don't travel as far as country. Any way why bring third and fourth ranked teams in. You are either top two or not. If you cannot finish top 2 in your own pool you will not win anyway regardless of pool size. So to me it would
1. Cheapen the series by allowing wannabes to play
2. Make it too expensive and
3. I just don't like the idea or see the point excepth to maybe stroke some bruised egos.

I live in Newcastle just like my profile says - no secrets there.

You would send 3rd and/or 4th ranked teams from Pool C and Pool D to the finals simply because they are larger pools - so this would be fairer. For this season at least the teams in those Pools are stronger but I do agree that the supposed strength of a Pool can't be used as the deciding factor to let more teams through to the finals.

Your point about the series being cheapened by letting more teams through to the Div1 finals is rubbish. I'd be surprised if anyone in here actually supports you on that one. If anything, having a Div2 finals is what cheapens the competition.

Your point about money is a good one. Yes it will cost more but maybe you and/or your club can get off your asses and try to get sponsors or raise some money to lessen the burden. Travelling when tired IS dangerous. Stop - Revive - Survive. To address both these issues maybe for the really long trips the clubs can come to an agreement and play at a stadium that's half way. It's not like the clubs will lose much revenue from spectators.

[THE VIKING]

Everyone knows that country teams play a lot better at home then they do away (Finals weekend at a central venue) nearly always shows what they're like away from home. Everyone plays better at home generally. You get Coffs to play Hornsby at home it could well have been a 20 point + loss. When you see Ballina having to travel all that way for a huge loss it just makes you question why you'd make the poor guys have to go that far. I'd almost prefer to see a semi finals system within each pool then the winner of that (or the 2 finalists from the finals within that pool) going to a finals weekend of 6 teams. Say 2 country and 4 metro.

What a load of rubbish!!!! Everyone plays better at home than they do away, so what? if it was only a country team thing then Hornsby by your logic should still have smashed Coffs but they did not so they don't travel well either. That is I guess why the finals weekend never gets further out than the golden strip of Woolongong, metro/gosford and Sydney! Why have finals within a pool they just came off a full home and away season, the best will be on top? OH wait I know why, so you can sneak in four metro to two country teams! Bias I read a lot of your posts on here and they are generally fairly sensible. Have you been on a bender this weekend or something cause you are talking nonsense!

[THE VIKING]

[QUOTE=Jackit;237539]I live in Newcastle just like my profile says - no secrets there.

Didn't check your profile!! Maybe I know you, I spent some time in Newcastle.

"You would send 3rd and/or 4th ranked teams from Pool C and Pool D to the finals simply because they are larger pools - so this would be fairer. For this season at least the teams in those Pools are stronger but I do agree that the supposed strength of a Pool can't be used as the deciding factor to let more teams through to the finals."

Fair point. If more do go through it would need to be even. i.e three or four from each pool.

"Your point about the series being cheapened by letting more teams through to the Div1 finals is rubbish. I'd be surprised if anyone in here actually supports you on that one. If anything, having a Div2 finals is what cheapens the competition."

I agree about division two unless it is a stand alone comp. However, what I meant about cheapening it is where do we stop? How many teams get to a post season?

"Your point about money is a good one. Yes it will cost more but maybe you and/or your club can get off your asses and try to get sponsors or raise some money to lessen the burden."

Possibly you are unaware of the fact that we do have sponsors (I am one of them!!) and fundraise etc. To make a comment like that shows you have no real concept of the costs involved in these long haul road trips.

"Travelling when tired IS dangerous. Stop - Revive - Survive. To address both these issues maybe for the really long trips the clubs can come to an agreement and play at a stadium that's half way. It's not like the clubs will lose much revenue from spectators."

Stopping and resting has little effect if the driver has been playing all weekend. Luckily we usually have a volunteer non-player to drive so not such an issue. Maybe in Newcastle where SL are the little brothers not much money would be lost, (do you even charge a door? No? is that because nobody would come?) in revenue but once again you show your lack of knowledge of country sport. We do usually pull a large crowd (not this year though lol) especially for playoff games, last 4 years not including this one we get 200-300 to regular season games and 500 plus to playoff games at $5 a head. It is one of our money spinning things you mentioned before. However the halfway thing has merit as long it is half way not say Lismore v Hornsby at Newcastle!

[Jackit]

Everyone knows everyone in Newy - i'm probably related to you Viking. :)

I know what the cost of fuel is and I know what a hotel costs. You could hire a minibus and yeh that costs a bit but you could always drive yourselves if you have players prepared to share the driving (and vehicles). Maybe there are other costs that I'm not aware of. Also depends how often you have to make a long trip in the season and what your definition of a long trip is. Anything over say 2 hours could probably be considered long by my standards. You mentioned a "travel equalisation system". I think this has some potential. Maybe put down on paper the distances involved for the different clubs related to the costs involved throughout the season and put together a proposal for BNSW. It's not like BNSW will do anything on their own and if this is a big issue for your team (and others) then it wouldn't hurt to try. SL fees will have to go up for everyone to fund it.

You're right about the SL crowds in Newcastle - the only people that show up are either family or friends of players. Stadium doesn't charge at the door unless the ABL games are on.

Good to hear that you usually pull large crowds but any particular reason why the crowds didn't show up this year?

Money is a recurrring issue. I think BNSW can do a lot more in terms of assisting teams with sponsorship opportunities and making things a little easier. Approaching hire car companies for example. Some kind of agreement between BNSW and a hire car company to substantially reduce rental rates on mini buses would be fantastic.

[The Unbias Bias]

My guess is BNSW is smart enough to know that the Div 2 grand final will be of higher quality then the Div 1 Final..... just throwing it out there, although we all know that's just idiotic lol they aren't that smart. And stylin if Macarthur deserved to be in Div 1 they would be, enjoy being Runners Up in Div 2.

I love being right Stylin :) Mac getting pumped by 30 to CCC. McCoy having another tough game in a grand final, very reminiscent of last year's where he took more shots then points.

[THE VIKING]

Everyone knows everyone in Newy - i'm probably related to you Viking. :)

I know what the cost of fuel is and I know what a hotel costs. You could hire a minibus and yeh that costs a bit but you could always drive yourselves if you have players prepared to share the driving (and vehicles). Maybe there are other costs that I'm not aware of. Also depends how often you have to make a long trip in the season and what your definition of a long trip is. Anything over say 2 hours could probably be considered long by my standards. You mentioned a "travel equalisation system". I think this has some potential. Maybe put down on paper the distances involved for the different clubs related to the costs involved throughout the season and put together a proposal for BNSW. It's not like BNSW will do anything on their own and if this is a big issue for your team (and others) then it wouldn't hurt to try. SL fees will have to go up for everyone to fund it.

The number of trips is the killer mate one is no biggy, by the way our shortest is 45min and the rest are one and a half to four and a half, thats just the pool games. We do the minibus thing, talking around 600 to 800 for a weekend even with a free driver. The travel equalisation is not a new idea SEABL still do it, State league used to do it back in the days of everyone plays everyone and our biggest roadie was Grafton to Albury/Wagga in a weekend!! So BNSW know how to do it they are not interested though or I should say that teh Sydney teams were not interested. As far as a proposal, I am a mere spectator/sponsor now, retires from coaching/admin last year so not me thanks!:cool:

You're right about the SL crowds in Newcastle - the only people that show up are either family or friends of players. Stadium doesn't charge at the door unless the ABL games are on.

Good to hear that you usually pull large crowds but any particular reason why the crowds didn't show up this year?

We sucked lol and I don't really know, usually we pull a good crowd even in a losing season but it started to drop off a little last year 9a winning season) and really died this year (perhaps they miss the just retired coach:rolleyes:

Money is a recurrring issue. I think BNSW can do a lot more in terms of assisting teams with sponsorship opportunities and making things a little easier. Approaching hire car companies for example. Some kind of agreement between BNSW and a hire car company to substantially reduce rental rates on mini buses would be fantastic.

GREAT IDEA. Probably why BNSW have not done it:mad:

[THE VIKING]

[QUOTE=Jackit;237551]Everyone knows everyone in Newy - i'm probably related to you Viking. :)

haha. Possibly. went to Uni there (87 to 90). Spent a lot of time at the Dorricott household. Still good mates with Jeremy. Coached junior rep there when joanna was under 16 div 1 girls. LOVED going to falcon games at Broadmeadow and watching on baseline next to bar yelling crap at Don Shearman the ref, the rowdies up the back going nuts, tennis club for a few more then fannys after.....memories :twisted:

[THE VIKING]

[QUOTE=Jackit;237551]Everyone knows everyone in Newy - i'm probably related to you Viking. :)

haha. Possibly. went to Uni there (87 to 90). Spent a lot of time at the Dorricott household. Still good mates with Jeremy. Coached junior rep there when joanna was under 16 div 1 girls. LOVED going to falcon games at Broadmeadow and watching on baseline next to bar yelling crap at Don Shearman the ref, the rowdies up the back going nuts, tennis club for a few more then fannys after.....memories :twisted:

i meant Jody not joanna!

[Jackit]

[QUOTE=Jackit;237551]Everyone knows everyone in Newy - i'm probably related to you Viking. :)

haha. Possibly. went to Uni there (87 to 90). Spent a lot of time at the Dorricott household. Still good mates with Jeremy. Coached junior rep there when joanna was under 16 div 1 girls. LOVED going to falcon games at Broadmeadow and watching on baseline next to bar yelling crap at Don Shearman the ref, the rowdies up the back going nuts, tennis club for a few more then fannys after.....memories :twisted:

I moved to newy in 96, had a few years away from basketball but got back into it in about 99. Haven't seen Jeremy for a while - used to play in his team in the social comp in Newy.

[Jackit]

I love being right Stylin :) Mac getting pumped by 30 to CCC. McCoy having another tough game in a grand final, very reminiscent of last year's where he took more shots then points.

how predictable - CCC crushing Div2 is about my only tip I have got right this season.

[grub]

anyone know who got the awards

[Jackit]

anyone know who got the awards

Some guy from Hawkesbury got an award for worst tattoo of the season. :D

[StiLL Momentum]

Some guy from Hawkesbury got an award for worst tattoo of the season. :D

hahahaha,

[viper]

looks like Illawarra are champions. Talk all the Sh*T you want but they beat everyone, including what you guys called the tornament favourites Horsnby, mac cant even win div 2.

Seahawks, 2010 SBL champs..........

[stylin]

Well thats it for a year.

I wasnt up there but heard my boys Heat played shocking. They missed easy stuff around the rim and even a few open dunks?? A bad loss to end a long season of problems. Heard CC was just way to good for them on the day which shows a 30point win. There big fella dominated i heard?

Prb wouldve been nice to see Illa play against CC in the Grand Final if both teams were pumping on the day?

Happy to see some country teams get up there on the day. Even ABA had Maitland in the GF so shows the talent is really starting to spread.

Good win for Illa though. They played consistent most of the year except for that loss to newcastle Green. Congrats boys.

[Daevo]

ABA had Maitland in the GF so shows the talent is really starting to spread.

That's a mean thing to say about Scotty Mc ;)

[Jackit]

Congrats to Illawarra. Personally, I didn't think they could win the title but am happy to be proven wrong. No need for a game between CCC and Illawarra as Illawarra beat them twice during the regular season. I think Illawarra have proven to be very worthy champs this year.

[A Higher Authority]

There is one very compelling reason for a playoff between Illawarra and Central Coast.
Rod Johnson (43) and Terry Johnson (39) reportedly both announced their retirement to their respective teams (no public announcement).
What a fitting way for both great players to go out of the game, with one more clash between their two teams.
Both had very good weekends for their respective teams, as might be expected.

[Daevo]

Any word on awards for SLM?

[MAIN_MAN]

What about Luke Doherty playing a major role in the Finals for his team. I heard he went away from basketball for awhile, but it seems that he still has it. Any idea how he'll do at WABL level?

[stylin]

Tops Scorer would be James Whitby Ballina Breakers 29.18avg.

Matt McCoy (Mac Heat) made all star 5.

[Macattack]

There is one very compelling reason for a playoff between Illawarra and Central Coast.
Rod Johnson (43) and Terry Johnson (39).

Is that how many points they scored?;)

[THE VIKING]

Talk to you all next season. Maybe a little in the off but lets wait and see what weird and wonderful mideas BNSW come up with for next season!!:rolleyes:

Nice to be a part again...fun times!:cool:

[stylin]

Talk to you all next season. Maybe a little in the off but lets wait and see what weird and wonderful mideas BNSW come up with for next season!!:rolleyes:

Nice to be a part again...fun times!:cool:

Haha! To true!

I might not be on the forum as much next season as quite a few of us Heat boys are prb having a season off from SL. We have a HUGE talent of Youth league players coming through anyway so we will definetly be amongst finals again next year. Good talking and trashing to you all. See you on the forum.

Heat will be ABA within the next 3years and atleast 1 more GF appearance and hopfully win by then.

[Daevo]

Heat will be ABA within the next 3years and at least 1 more GF appearance and hopfully win by then.

What division? :p

[stylin]

Awards are
Rookie of the Year Matt Presland - Maitland Mustangs
Defensive Player of the Year Wayne Brown - Maitland Mustangs
Leading Points Scorer James Whitby - Ballina Breakers -28.92 ppg

All Star Five
Sam Bresnik - Queanbeyan Yowies
Wayne Brown - Maitland Mustangs
James Whitby - Ballina Breakers
Matthew McCoy - Macarthur Heat
Robert Linton - Coffs Harbour Suns

MVP of the Year James Whitby - Ballina Breakers
Coach of the Year David Richards - Newcastle Hunters

Only 1 city player into the all star 5... Very different to most years. Any one have any idea on the other players?

[Jackit]

coach of the year with 2 wins all season :???:

No illawarra players :???:

[Daevo]

It just demonstrates another problem with the pools system.

[The Unbias Bias]

Awards are
Rookie of the Year Matt Presland - Maitland Mustangs
Defensive Player of the Year Wayne Brown - Maitland Mustangs
Leading Points Scorer James Whitby - Ballina Breakers -28.92 ppg

All Star Five
Sam Bresnik - Queanbeyan Yowies
Wayne Brown - Maitland Mustangs
James Whitby - Ballina Breakers
Matthew McCoy - Macarthur Heat
Robert Linton - Coffs Harbour Suns

MVP of the Year James Whitby - Ballina Breakers
Coach of the Year David Richards - Newcastle Hunters

Only 1 city player into the all star 5... Very different to most years. Any one have any idea on the other players?

Who were the idiots that voted or chose these awards? I'm sorry but receiving any of those awards means nothing considering nearly all of them went to players or coaches who shouldn't have received them. Newcastle coach of the year? For which team? The team that got knocked out first round of div 2 semis or the team who won 2 games? Obviously that's nothing but playing favourites or feeling sorry for him since he can't coach. How do Hornsby and Illawarra and even Penrith get no one into the all-star 5? McCoy had a down year I'd say compared to previous years he's played. And why have Maitland cleaned up the awards? To be honest they doubled their previous season's win total, but I didn't realise losing around 60% of your games gave you such a good chance of getting all of these accolades. Whitby scores heaps but come on, his team lost by 37 to the eventual grand final winners. Doesn't sound like the result you'd expect with an mvp calibre player to me. I just can't believe out of all the quality players in pool C only one gets into the all star 5 - amazing.

[stylin]

Who were the idiots that voted or chose these awards? I'm sorry but receiving any of those awards means nothing considering nearly all of them went to players or coaches who shouldn't have received them. Newcastle coach of the year? For which team? The team that got knocked out first round of div 2 semis or the team who won 2 games? Obviously that's nothing but playing favourites or feeling sorry for him since he can't coach. How do Hornsby and Illawarra and even Penrith get no one into the all-star 5? McCoy had a down year I'd say compared to previous years he's played. And why have Maitland cleaned up the awards? To be honest they doubled their previous season's win total, but I didn't realise losing around 60% of your games gave you such a good chance of getting all of these accolades. Whitby scores heaps but come on, his team lost by 37 to the eventual grand final winners. Doesn't sound like the result you'd expect with an mvp calibre player to me. I just can't believe out of all the quality players in pool C only one gets into the all star 5 - amazing.

The awards just dont ever fit. Im glad McCoy finally got one though. He shouldve got one over the past few years. If your team cant make the finals weekend then sure enough there should be no way a player is deserving of an award. Even CC didnt get an award!

[The Unbias Bias]

The awards just dont ever fit. Im glad McCoy finally got one though. He shouldve got one over the past few years. If your team cant make the finals weekend then sure enough there should be no way a player is deserving of an award. Even CC didnt get an award!

Yeah last year he definitely should've been there, i thought he was playing a bit better 1-2 seasons ago was all i meant. I'm still in shock hey, maitland and newcastle get 4 awards between them lol

[THE VIKING]

Who were the idiots that voted or chose these awards? I'm sorry but receiving any of those awards means nothing considering nearly all of them went to players or coaches who shouldn't have received them. Newcastle coach of the year? For which team? The team that got knocked out first round of div 2 semis or the team who won 2 games? Obviously that's nothing but playing favourites or feeling sorry for him since he can't coach. How do Hornsby and Illawarra and even Penrith get no one into the all-star 5? McCoy had a down year I'd say compared to previous years he's played. And why have Maitland cleaned up the awards? To be honest they doubled their previous season's win total, but I didn't realise losing around 60% of your games gave you such a good chance of getting all of these accolades. Whitby scores heaps but come on, his team lost by 37 to the eventual grand final winners. Doesn't sound like the result you'd expect with an mvp calibre player to me. I just can't believe out of all the quality players in pool C only one gets into the all star 5 - amazing.

The awards are a direct result of the pool system. MVP and all-star 5 are usually a sham and go to biggest pools. Whitby must have cleaned up up here to get award. Bias I agree with you:o

The system does not really work. but in saying that it used to with two pools of same number of teams.

[THE VIKING]

It just demonstrates another problem with the pools system.

Agree daevo. Coach of year is voted by ALL coached though so he must have got some OR not every association bothered to vote.

[maori_clunt]

been watching these boards light up this year but this is my first post so go easy on me.

From what I saw this year, the best 5 teams included

Illawarra
Hornsby
Queanbeyan
Penrith
CCC

and between them all they had only 1 award (Bresnik). To me that shows that there is something wrong with the system.

The peoples choice all star 5...

Sam Bresnik - Queanbeyan
Luke Doherty - Illawarra
Daryl Pepito - Hornsby
James Whitby - Ballina (just because he was leading scorer, although he embarressed himself in the first round of finals against Illawarra)
Jeremy Goode - illawarra (if he played the whole year) or Brett Bonham (if he played the whole year)otherwise ????

[Daevo]

Coach of year is voted by ALL coached though so he must have got some OR not every association bothered to vote.

To quote from the Waratah thread:

The coach of the year voting can often come down to :

"I hate that ^%&$"
"That $%^& can't coach"
"That *(&^ had all the talent"
"He's ok I guess, I'll vote for him"

Taking that into account, it's easy to see how individual coaches could get few or zero votes, especially where club or personal rivalries exist (e.g. can you imagine any of the 4 western Sydney teams voting for each other?) so the winner might only need a handful of votes to take the award.

[THE VIKING]

To quote from the Waratah thread:



Taking that into account, it's easy to see how individual coaches could get few or zero votes, especially where club or personal rivalries exist (e.g. can you imagine any of the 4 western Sydney teams voting for each other?) so the winner might only need a handful of votes to take the award.

Agree again Daevo. Same for defensive player. So how should coach of year be voted. I think by peers holds most value BUT then gotta trust coaches to vote fairly and on results. I don't agree that team needs to win all games but it could be on improvement. For example Coffs Harbour went from last in pool last year to final four this year BUT in their case they had a coach then Shannahan had a tanty (or a Julia :D)and said he goes or I go with about four or five games left in the season so obviously cannot claim all credit. If it was same coach all year then in my humble opinion that coach would get my vote if i was still coaching. Also two or three finals appearances warrants it too.

[Skindog the Hawk]

Jeremy Goode - illawarra (if he played the whole year) or Brett Bonham (if he played the whole year)otherwise ????

Bonham unfortunately didn't play much of the season due to family issues, however Goode would've been okay as a selection. Having said that, there are probably other deserving candidates out there too.

Maybe an All-Star 5 needs to be done for each pool, and then the top 5 of SBL are selected out of there?

SD.

[Prodigal]

I know it's a discussion point and everybody has an opinion on who should and shouldn't have got these awards, but does it really matter? There's no cash or prizes involved. I don't think anyone will have their basketball career go down the toilet because they didn't make the state league all star 5.

[stylin]

I know it's a discussion point and everybody has an opinion on who should and shouldn't have got these awards, but does it really matter? There's no cash or prizes involved. I don't think anyone will have their basketball career go down the toilet because they didn't make the state league all star 5.

Lol! But its just worth getting the appreciation and pat on the back from the league.

[THE VIKING]

I know it's a discussion point and everybody has an opinion on who should and shouldn't have got these awards, but does it really matter? There's no cash or prizes involved. I don't think anyone will have their basketball career go down the toilet because they didn't make the state league all star 5.

It matters because they exist. Therefore they should be done properly or not at all.:???:

[Pointybits]

All Star voting was gathered after each game with each coach giving points to either/both teams best players. My experience is that if a coach consistantly gives one of his players high numbers it is discussed at NSWBA and the total can be adjusted.
Defensive award is gathered by coaches nominating the other teams best after each game.(couldnt be fairer)
Coach of the Year is voted for by each coach via a questionaire fax during the last round game of the season. So its up to the Coaches who hopefully accept the responsibility honestly.

[grub]

every coach must have been at a crack party this year if the newcastle coach got it.

[StiLL Momentum]

Maybe an All-Star 5 needs to be done for each pool, and then the top 5 of SBL are selected out of there?

SD.

I like that idea. It makes more sense and it gives more players something to drive for also during the season.

[Jackit]

It's a great idea. Not only because it gives a better indication of the best players but also because there wouldn't be much overhead in figuring this out. Especially if the BNSW database is set up properly.

[Jackit]

On second thoughts, judging by their website I wouldn't expect their database/s to be any good. They probably run everything off spreadsheets.

[Mex]

From what iv heard Dave Richards (Newy White Player/Coach) is a bit embarrassed by the award, he doesnt think he deserves it either. He's a great player and a great bloke, got plenty of time for Dave, but i think they'v handed him that award for the wrong reasons.

Newy White isnt actually Newcastle, for those in other pools who might not have known. Its actually Port Stephens, entered as Newcastle in their first year in the comp. Maybe to save money, not sure, hopefully they'r entered as Port next year. But Dave's been putting in a tonne of work building the club up from nothing. Marketing & sponsorship, community work to try and build up a fan base etc, as well as playing and coaching. I think thats why they'v given him the award, pretty much just cuz he deserves one, Lol. But as i said its for the wrong reasons, they really should'v given that award to a deserving coach based on results on the court and ultimately the ladder. Maybe found some other way to acknowledge Dave's efforts.

As for my boys. Wayne Brown in my opinion is the best defender in our pool hands down (obvious potential bias here but i honestly think he is). There's no stats for steals but he'd be in double figures for several games this year if there was. I haven't watched a single minute of play from any other pool this year though i can really only support him as far as our pool goes. Other close contenders in ours are both Levi and Shoaib (CCoast) and Doolan (NewyG).

R.O.Y, Matty Presland.. hmm.. tough one. Great player, great potential. But he missed a heap of games at the back end of the year with a knee injury, so this is a mystery even to a fellow team mate (hope he doesn't read this). Haha na if he hadn't of gotten injured he'd be a definite candidate, so yeah, dont know about that one. But anyhow WELL DONE MATTY!

Finally, im with you guys, Surely teams like Illawarra, Penrith, Central Coast, Heat, Queanbeyan, Hornsby, Sutherland and even Coffs should be dominating the awards... Top Five from each pool = winner!

[stylin]

From what iv heard Dave Richards (Newy White Player/Coach) is a bit embarrassed by the award, he doesnt think he deserves it either. He's a great player and a great bloke, got plenty of time for Dave, but i think they'v handed him that award for the wrong reasons.

Newy White isnt actually Newcastle, for those in other pools who might not have known. Its actually Port Stephens, entered as Newcastle in their first year in the comp. Maybe to save money, not sure, hopefully they'r entered as Port next year. But Dave's been putting in a tonne of work building the club up from nothing. Marketing & sponsorship, community work to try and build up a fan base etc, as well as playing and coaching. I think thats why they'v given him the award, pretty much just cuz he deserves one, Lol. But as i said its for the wrong reasons, they really should'v given that award to a deserving coach based on results on the court and ultimately the ladder. Maybe found some other way to acknowledge Dave's efforts.

As for my boys. Wayne Brown in my opinion is the best defender in our pool hands down (obvious potential bias here but i honestly think he is). There's no stats for steals but he'd be in double figures for several games this year if there was. I haven't watched a single minute of play from any other pool this year though i can really only support him as far as our pool goes. Other close contenders in ours are both Levi and Shoaib (CCoast) and Doolan (NewyG).

R.O.Y, Matty Presland.. hmm.. tough one. Great player, great potential. But he missed a heap of games at the back end of the year with a knee injury, so this is a mystery even to a fellow team mate (hope he doesn't read this). Haha na if he hadn't of gotten injured he'd be a definite candidate, so yeah, dont know about that one. But anyhow WELL DONE MATTY!

Finally, im with you guys, Surely teams like Illawarra, Penrith, Central Coast, Heat, Queanbeyan, Hornsby, Sutherland and even Coffs should be dominating the awards... Top Five from each pool = winner!

Such a good normal read of a post. Havent had a simple read in a long time. Thanks for the easy read Mex. We all usually read people saying how much better then they are then the other team or just fighting about Penrith 1 and Penrith 2 team... lol! Maybe Unbias and a few of the other guys should take note... ;p

[Jackit]

you're right Mex - Dave Richards is a top bloke and has done great things in Port Stephens for Basketball.

I doubt Newy White will enter as Port Stephens next year. For starters, they have the Newcastle uniform. So unless they purchase all new gear and break away from the Newcastle association it won't happen. However, if they did break away then it probably wouldn't be such a bad thing and with Dave Richards in the drivers seat they'll be in good hands.

Agree that Wayne Brown is probably one of the better defenders in the Pool. Doolan only played a couple of games for us this season.

[StiLL Momentum]

Such a good normal read of a post. Havent had a simple read in a long time. Thanks for the easy read Mex. We all usually read people saying how much better then they are then the other team or just fighting about Penrith 1 and Penrith 2 team... lol! Maybe Unbias and a few of the other guys should take note... ;p

We dont fight about it, we just put bait out there and they bite, its just funny how they bite, if you read them there is no fighting from our point, we just make fun of them. Not a hard read when you get it in context :)

[The Unbias Bias]

Such a good normal read of a post. Havent had a simple read in a long time. Thanks for the easy read Mex. We all usually read people saying how much better then they are then the other team or just fighting about Penrith 1 and Penrith 2 team... lol! Maybe Unbias and a few of the other guys should take note... ;p

This coming from the guy who only posts sob stories about his team every 2nd post, cry us a river timberlake!

[stylin]

This coming from the guy who only posts sob stories about his team every 2nd post, cry us a river timberlake!

Baited up, throws line out.... BANG! Got ya... LOL!!!!

[EightyEight]

Baited up, throws line out.... BANG! Got ya... LOL!!!!

Classic. Next time I go fishing I'm taking you! get a bite every time.

[Daevo]

First I suggest asking him about all the ones that got away ;)

[The Unbias Bias]

First I suggest asking him about all the ones that got away ;)

Just like the div 1 grand final loss 2 seasons back, i guess that really helps your fishing..... If you ain't first ur last! hahahaha

[stylin]

Just like the div 1 grand final loss 2 seasons back, i guess that really helps your fishing..... If you ain't first ur last! hahahaha

Actually ive never taken my fishing rod to a game... Maybe next year if i play it might help?

[StiLL Momentum]

Actually ive never taken my fishing rod to a game... Maybe next year if i play it might help?

ok, now im just confused, so i will say this. How about those jets ey?

lol

[stylin]

ok, now im just confused, so i will say this. How about those jets ey?

lol

Hahaha!