NSWSBL 2009

[stylin]

Any team from

Penrith
Macarthur
Hawkesbury
Central Coast
Illawarra

Couldve won the league. It is very tight at the top of the ladder and these teams are a step above the others. You have to bring your game on the day otherwise you will lose.

[Chucker]

Hey unbias 21-0.

BANG!!!!!!

Oh well, Hawkesbury did win 21 meaningless games, however, they were 0-1 in games that mattered. At least they have a history of developing their own juniors and will be super competitive next year. Oh, wait, no they don't.

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I wonder how many of these players wish they were back at Penrith now. I have seen their domestic comp once however, and it really cant help these guys playing agains 14-15yr olds in Div 1, there looked to be only 2-3 strong teams. Penrith is by far a stronger domestic comp which would have to benefit their rep players.

[Trigger]

Oh well, Hawkesbury did win 21 meaningless games, however, they were 0-1 in games that mattered. At least they have a history of developing their own juniors and will be super competitive next year. Oh, wait, no they don't.

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Everybody loves kicking a club when there down...I personally am glad they didnt win the flag this year but believe they should be applauded not laughed at for going 21-0 especially when it was done in probably the toughest pool in SL.

[Spot Up]

Oh well, Hawkesbury did win 21 meaningless games, however, they were 0-1 in games that mattered. At least they have a history of developing their own juniors and will be super competitive next year. Oh, wait, no they don't.

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I wonder how many of these players wish they were back at Penrith now. I have seen their domestic comp once however, and it really cant help these guys playing agains 14-15yr olds in Div 1, there looked to be only 2-3 strong teams. Penrith is by far a stronger domestic comp which would have to benefit their rep players.


Really they (Hawkesbury) did a good job this year, doesn't matter how you look at it. The Penrith Div 1 domestic comp is also about 2-3 teams strong, with many local juniors mixed into the teams to make up the numbers. Do you really think that Penrith would want those players back? Sounds like you've had a bad experience playing at Hawkesbury, what's the competition like at Springwood?

[StiLL Momentum]

Really they (Hawkesbury) did a good job this year, doesn't matter how you look at it. The Penrith Div 1 domestic comp is also about 2-3 teams strong, with many local juniors mixed into the teams to make up the numbers. Do you really think that Penrith would want those players back? Sounds like you've had a bad experience playing at Hawkesbury, what's the competition like at Springwood?

Same thing mate, 2-3 strong teams, well actually 2. I got to say though. outside of an idiot that's running the comp, its a relaxed atmosphere and laid back and quite fun to go to, most teams know each other and get along.

[StiLL Momentum]

Has the internet or power gone down for the people in out Windsor way??? cos they used to post on here all the time, now they are more silent than a cat roadkill....

[Spot Up]

Same thing mate, 2-3 strong teams, well actually 2. I got to say though. outside of an idiot that's running the comp, its a relaxed atmosphere and laid back and quite fun to go to, most teams know each other and get along.

Know what you mean, that guy running the comp is full of self importance. I wonder if "CHUCKER" shoots as his name suggests? Iv'e seen a guy from Springwood CHUCK up four pointers at Penrith although from memory he played Div 2 or 3.:p

[Chucker]

I'm sure Penrith wouldn't want them back, why would they with up and comers like Tom Dawson, Albert and Moorehead? Plus the steady group they already had. Dawson was a Hawkesbury junior? maybe, but I don't think his dad ever had any intention of him staying there, and it's obviously worked out well.
I haven't had a bad experience at Hawkesbury, went and checked it out last year and decided against trying to find a team. What i'm saying if you want to play a competitive game, it's hard when there is obviously a talent void between the teams, meaning some games are just a walk over before the whistle is blown. Most of their state league team played on 1 team, not sure what the distribution is this year as they had some new players I didn't see there then.
With the Penrith Div 1/ A grade (Mon + Tues), I found there were a probably 6 teams that could give each other a run, they couldn't let their foot off and coast. Saw one team get run down after leading by 30 against Slacky, Albert and Tengdahl. Ouch (actually, i think they were a Hawkesbury team, not state league guys though). Orange uni's i think?
Anyway, that was a year ago, maybe i'm just out of touch cause I haven't played for a few comps. Not at Springwood either, the air up there is too thin to support human life. As far as "Chucker", not at Penrith, i'm an ex-pat Mexican. "Chucker" was accurate once but now the mind is willing, the body is not = Old age, go home old man ;)

[StiLL Momentum]

Know what you mean, that guy running the comp is full of self importance. I wonder if "CHUCKER" shoots as his name suggests? Iv'e seen a guy from Springwood CHUCK up four pointers at Penrith although from memory he played Div 2 or 3.:p

LOL, you are exactly right, full of self importance man, couldnt be more accurate.

yeah the "chucker" plays in div 3 man. He is former Springwood as he got voted out of the board, lol. how the heck he got onto the board is as amazing as his shot selection.

[StiLL Momentum]

Saw one team get run down after leading by 30 against Slacky, Albert and Tengdahl. Ouch (actually, i think they were a Hawkesbury team, not state league guys though). Orange uni's i think?



Yeah that team used to muck around and then all of a sudden kick into gear and the game was over, lol. That orange team pulled out soon after after a team threatened to fight them. Geez, its local comp, play for fun, play to win but no reason to play for violence.

[stylin]

Yeh its gone very quiet from "truth hurts" on here... I actually think he has taken his name to personal from the results. Cause "the truth" did hurt them when they lost there perfect season. He def talked it up on here...

As for social comps. Only real tuff one is Alexandria on Monday night. Plenty of quality ABA, SBL and YL players out there. Aswell as border line NBL and old timers too. If you want a good run go there!

Bankstown on a Monday night is still good but ive heard its not like it used to be.

[The Unbias Bias]

No one can fault Hawkesbury for going 21-0, that's an unbelievable feat unlikely to be repeated for sometime, 21-0 is much harder obviously than 12-0 which some of the other pools could aspire to. I just think their arrogance, which was obvious from the way they spoke on here, was their ultimate downfall. Whether that came from the coach of just the player's attitudes who knows? Anyone watching that game on Saturday who knows these players could tell. I think some might say they should learn from the saying 'you havent really won until you've lost' but I think their attitude is 'we havent and cant win until we take x amount of ex-panthers!'

The only difference between their season and ours is that they gave themselves false hope haha.

[Chucker]

Has the internet or power gone down for the people in out Windsor way??? cos they used to post on here all the time, now they are more silent than a cat roadkill....


Do they have the internet out that way, I thought those guys must have sent a telegram or caught the stage coach to Penrith to post? Rustle some players while they're there. I just assumed they lost the farm gambling on state league?

Wow, I must have a twin, I've honestly ever been to Springwood. But why play basketball if your not going to shoot? Passing, rebounding, defence? Nah, the important bit is getting it in the hole (that works for many things men like really - such as golf, slot machines, and um, other things). This other Chucker gets it.

[Chucker]

Maybe I'm just a troll?

[Skindog the Hawk]

Bankstown on a Monday night is still good but ive heard its not like it used to be.

Quality of Bankstown comp has picked up, with top 4 quite competitive and the middle 3-4 being pretty good too. It will be interesting to see how the new comp (starts in 2 weeks) goes as I've heard there will be some more teams coming in.

SD.

[StiLL Momentum]

Do they have the internet out that way, I thought those guys must have sent a telegram or caught the stage coach to Penrith to post? Rustle some players while they're there. I just assumed they lost the farm gambling on state league?


HAHAHAHAHA stage coach....priceless.
It just amazes me that they talked all the smack, then got bitch slapped like a ticked off pimp with his ladies, and like the scene out of Toy Story where Mr Potato Head gets his mouth slapped off him, this must have happened to ALL of those tools from Hawkes.
Blazer, Truth Hurts "about your disfunction as a player and a lover" and the rest of them.

Ah well, we will wait till next season and see who they poach from other teams to help bolster their team. I mean they have one good ball player from Hawkes and thats Graham and the rest are borderline div 3.....local comp material, the rest of the team is from Penrith, Blue Mountains, Redfern and the Druitt (no offence Druitt).

[Trailblazer]

Good to see you guys havn't missed us! Obviously we are the only ones who talk it up? Isnt this the place to talk it up, have a bit of a shit stir?

Anyway, yeah it hurt alot to lose the semi vs Mac, of coase it did. you dont work hard for months to go out like that? Im sure it hurt Macarthur & Crusaders not to win.
Let it be known tho we were the first to congratulate macarthur and penrith, well done again lads!
Probably a few obvious reasons why we didnt play well? Macarthur played a good game, maybe the 3 week layoff after playing everyweek? Maybe just a bad day at the office? Just seemed we couldnt get anythin goin? But who cares, whats done is done, no excuses, Macarthur got us on the day?
Some of the reasons that definately wasnt tho- We were never over confident or arrogant, that was just a beat up, just cause there was a little trash talk on here, doesnt mean the whole squad took it back to training or the games. We never took any team lightly, esp a semi final apponent?. Domestic comp, WTF? How has that got anythin to do with it? Most players play at a couple domestic comps. A couple of rep associations dont even have a domestic comp?
On the positive side, overall a solid season. Got 1 step furthur than last year. To make the semis in our third year is not to bad. Im sure there was 20 or so other teams that would have liked to be in the final 4.

I would like to ask STILL & UNBIAS how you build a rep program up from scratch? I dont get your veiw, of coarse it would take 10 years to have a senior team full of local juniors (somethin were workin on). Of coase we wont have an opportunity for that till another 5 years or so? There is not much loyalties in ABA, players move from team to team for opportunities? Why not SL? Obviously Springwoods first senior team didnt have springwood juniors, obviously its imposible, they were penrith or mountain magic or whoever juniors? I think it looks worse that people are driving past your assocition to play elsewhere? Instead of just sitting in the cheap seats taking pot shots, let us no your grand super ideas?

Farms STILL? Very funny? Your so much metro than us? Well i will happily live at my farm, at least i dont still live at home with my mother? Maybe thats why you have so much time to dedicate to this forum, cause you have your mum doin your chores, like ironing your skunno's?

Anyway i will be waiting for the typical personal attacks you 2 dish out when you have nothing to come back on, cause you no nothin about nothin?

Movin on, thanks to everyone involved, enjoyed 09, lookin forward to 2010.

[The Unbias Bias]

Good to see you guys havn't missed us! Obviously we are the only ones who talk it up? Isnt this the place to talk it up, have a bit of a shit stir?

Anyway, yeah it hurt alot to lose the semi vs Mac, of coase it did. you dont work hard for months to go out like that? Im sure it hurt Macarthur & Crusaders not to win.
Let it be known tho we were the first to congratulate macarthur and penrith, well done again lads!
Probably a few obvious reasons why we didnt play well? Macarthur played a good game, maybe the 3 week layoff after playing everyweek? Maybe just a bad day at the office? Just seemed we couldnt get anythin goin? But who cares, whats done is done, no excuses, Macarthur got us on the day?
Some of the reasons that definately wasnt tho- We were never over confident or arrogant, that was just a beat up, just cause there was a little trash talk on here, doesnt mean the whole squad took it back to training or the games. We never took any team lightly, esp a semi final apponent?. Domestic comp, WTF? How has that got anythin to do with it? Most players play at a couple domestic comps. A couple of rep associations dont even have a domestic comp?
On the positive side, overall a solid season. Got 1 step furthur than last year. To make the semis in our third year is not to bad. Im sure there was 20 or so other teams that would have liked to be in the final 4.

I would like to ask STILL & UNBIAS how you build a rep program up from scratch? I dont get your veiw, of coarse it would take 10 years to have a senior team full of local juniors (somethin were workin on). Of coase we wont have an opportunity for that till another 5 years or so? There is not much loyalties in ABA, players move from team to team for opportunities? Why not SL? Obviously Springwoods first senior team didnt have springwood juniors, obviously its imposible, they were penrith or mountain magic or whoever juniors? I think it looks worse that people are driving past your assocition to play elsewhere? Instead of just sitting in the cheap seats taking pot shots, let us no your grand super ideas?

Farms STILL? Very funny? Your so much metro than us? Well i will happily live at my farm, at least i dont still live at home with my mother? Maybe thats why you have so much time to dedicate to this forum, cause you have your mum doin your chores, like ironing your skunno's?

Anyway i will be waiting for the typical personal attacks you 2 dish out when you have nothing to come back on, cause you no nothin about nothin?

Movin on, thanks to everyone involved, enjoyed 09, lookin forward to 2010.

Do you even read the previous posts on here? I've never once even suggested you should have a team solely of local products, that's stupid and given the local hawkesbury products, a very unrealistic idea. And you're anyone to talk about people driving past one's association to play somewhere else, this year's mvp, roty, finals mvp and so on is by your recollection a local jets product? Try looking past your own pig-headedness and actually comprehend some of the posts i've written. Most of my comments towards your loss to macarthur were pretty fair and accurate I believe. The only thing i suggest to get you going is that you're the panthers (2) side, and look at how you react, I dont even have to try!

On a more serious not I'm already looking forward to next year, seeing Panthers (1) raise that flag again is getting repetitive and i think 2010 is time for one of us to take it from them! How long until you guys have trials and any news on your coaching standpoint as yet?

[Daevo]

On the positive side, overall a solid season. Got 1 step furthur than last year. To make the semis in our third year is not to bad. Im sure there was 20 or so other teams that would have liked to be in the final 4.

I would like to ask STILL & UNBIAS how you build a rep program up from scratch? I dont get your veiw, of coarse it would take 10 years to have a senior team full of local juniors (somethin were workin on). Of coase we wont have an opportunity for that till another 5 years or so?

10 years? You've had junior rep teams for at least 11 years that I know of so you're just a little overdue :p

[StiLL Momentum]

We were never over confident or arrogant.

Farms STILL? Very funny? Your so much metro than us? Well i will happily live at my farm, at least i dont still live at home with my mother? Maybe thats why you have so much time to dedicate to this forum, cause you have your mum doin your chores, like ironing your skunno's?

Anyway i will be waiting for the typical personal attacks you 2 dish out when you have nothing to come back on, cause you no nothin about nothin?



HEY!!!! The electricity has finally been restored!!!!!


I just cut some stuff out, cos the rest was just garbage, Much like the ending of this season for you guys.

You talk about personal attacks after attacking people personally? Wow irony lives with you guys, like going 21-0 and then losing when it ONLY mattered.

You may say we NO nothing, first, we KNOW how to spell, secondly, we KNOW you guys failed when it really counted, thirdly, We KNOW you got as much court time as Springwoods Youth league coach got right in substitutions this year.

I'm amazed you say though, that you guys were never over confident or arrogant, LOL, you clearly must be deaf, blind and have as much sense as a peanut to believe that, Your consistent failing association has been that way for years. Then you start poaching players as the players from Hawkes outside of Big G cant earn a spot on any other team without a Make A Wish grant, even then struggling through that.

You really have to read previous posts before commenting on them, clearly it seems you scan over them and screw up when it comes to your post, Read man, READ!!!!

Next year will be great. Good luck all....even Hawkes aka PP2

[Spot Up]

On a more serious not I'm already looking forward to next year, seeing Panthers (1) raise that flag again is getting repetitive and i think 2010 is time for one of us to take it from them! How long until you guys have trials and any news on your coaching standpoint as yet?

It will be interesting to see if their 2009 season has an impact on who attends their trials. Do you think any of your guys will have a look?

[stylin]

I'll be the first to say that when Hawkesbury lost they held their head up high and were very very sportsmanlike! They even wished us all good luck for the final!

Although the Hawkesbury coach did complain to our coach and try to intimidate him about this forum. Before the semi he told our coach that we talk rubbish on here and his team is pumped!! Ended the conversation with "where ready for war." lol! So he kinda ate his own words.

[The Unbias Bias]

I'll be the first to say that when Hawkesbury lost they held their head up high and were very very sportsmanlike! They even wished us all good luck for the final!

Although the Hawkesbury coach did complain to our coach and try to intimidate him about this forum. Before the semi he told our coach that we talk rubbish on here and his team is pumped!! Ended the conversation with "where ready for war." lol! So he kinda ate his own words.

Doesn't surprise me that the most arrogant player on that team after their loss was the coach. Everyone heard at the start of the season that he was only coming in for a one season attempt at winning the title, I wonder since they fell short if he'll be back? To be honest if they lose him and if any of their panthers (2) squad members follow, hawkesbury will be going nowhere but backwards. The Panthers hopes would appear to rest of the shoulders of young Dawson's decision making come next season. If Cooper does what's in his best interest and suggests he goes to WABL (if it's still around) than Penrith would appear to be heading backwards, but we all said that this year didn't we?

[The Unbias Bias]

Just on a different note, wondering if anyone can shed any light on who the 2 'non-metro' players were that got into the all-star 5. Cullen was up there last year and this year for top scorer but i didn't really get a chance to see him play on finals weekend. But considering they lost to wagga i dont think i missed out on much? As far as the guy from Port making the all-star 5 i'm sure i'm not the only one who's thinking twice regarding this selection? He didn't even make the top 10 scorers so I cant really read much into this one, hopefully someone from illawarra or somewhere can shed some light on who this player is and if he's worthy of a all-star 5 selection ahead of others such as McCoy, Morehead or Godwin? Just seems the obvious choice was McCoy or Godwin and they got whiped out for Cullen and some guy everyone on here has never heard of? At first i thought it was a mis-print, but maybe they just had to choose someone from every pool so it all seemed fair & even.

[stylin]

Just on a different note, wondering if anyone can shed any light on who the 2 'non-metro' players were that got into the all-star 5. Cullen was up there last year and this year for top scorer but i didn't really get a chance to see him play on finals weekend. But considering they lost to wagga i dont think i missed out on much? As far as the guy from Port making the all-star 5 i'm sure i'm not the only one who's thinking twice regarding this selection? He didn't even make the top 10 scorers so I cant really read much into this one, hopefully someone from illawarra or somewhere can shed some light on who this player is and if he's worthy of a all-star 5 selection ahead of others such as McCoy, Morehead or Godwin? Just seems the obvious choice was McCoy or Godwin and they got whiped out for Cullen and some guy everyone on here has never heard of? At first i thought it was a mis-print, but maybe they just had to choose someone from every pool so it all seemed fair & even.

SENIOR BASKETBALL LEAGUE (SBL) MEN DIVISION 1
All Star Five: Chris Smith - Port Macquarie Dolphins
All Star Five: Thomas Dawson - Penrith Panthers
All Star Five: Ben Hawkesley - Hawkesbury Jets
All Star Five: Brett Bonham - Illawarra Hawks
All Star Five: Andrew Cullen - Griffith Demons
MVP of the Year: Thomas Dawson - Penrith Panthers
Coach of the Year: Jeff Cooper - Penrith Panthers
Rookie of the Year: Tom Dawson - Penrith Panthers
Defensive Player of the Year: Ben Hawkesley - Hawkesbury Jets
Leading Points Scorer: Chris Skilton - Tamworth 28.67 ppg

I agree with the majority of it. But as you said the guy from Port? Also Skilton getting top point scorer... He only played 6 games. So he shouldnt of really been allowed to qualify.

Also are the all star team on positions?

[The Unbias Bias]

I have no idea if it's on a position basis, but like you said i also agree with the majority of them. The Hawkesbury coach should've got coach of the year i reckon though. Cooper is by no means a bad choice as he out did all expectations anyone had of his team and deserved the award, but going 21-0 in your first year of coaching at a new association (to some degree) is a near impossible feat which deserved at least some recognition from those giving out the awards.

[THE VIKING]

Just on a different note, wondering if anyone can shed any light on who the 2 'non-metro' players were that got into the all-star 5. Cullen was up there last year and this year for top scorer but i didn't really get a chance to see him play on finals weekend. But considering they lost to wagga i dont think i missed out on much? As far as the guy from Port making the all-star 5 i'm sure i'm not the only one who's thinking twice regarding this selection? He didn't even make the top 10 scorers so I cant really read much into this one, hopefully someone from illawarra or somewhere can shed some light on who this player is and if he's worthy of a all-star 5 selection ahead of others such as McCoy, Morehead or Godwin? Just seems the obvious choice was McCoy or Godwin and they got whiped out for Cullen and some guy everyone on here has never heard of? At first i thought it was a mis-print, but maybe they just had to choose someone from every pool so it all seemed fair & even.

The all-star five is done on the game voting by coaches on a percentage basis. Smith obviiously got a larger percentage of votes than those other blokes. That is the system. He is actually quite a good player. He played here for a while, when he was younger he was very impressive. he is probly a little past his prime now but is by far Ports best. You do not have to be in the top ten scorers to be in the all-star five either, in my opinion Godwin does not deserve to be there. Also Murphy from here should be a perennial all-star but I don't always vote for him I vote each game as I see it, not everyone does that!! one game we beat Armidale by heaps and they gave their players five of the votes and ours five of the votes. They were not even in the hunt. These things all effect the MVP and AS5. But really just because you don't know him does not mean he does not deserve it.

In short there are no choices as you suggest it is percentage of votes through season. The only awards that are "choices" are the Coach, defensive and rookie. They are voted by each association at the end of the season on a ballot sent out by NSW. I personally don't think Hawkesly is necessarily the defensive player of the year but I guess I don't have a better one in mind though.

[stylin]

The voting is stupid! There should be a rule. If you punish a team then it should be on a 7 to 3 voting system to the winning team. If its a good win then it should be on a 6-4 system. If its a tight game and anyone couldve won then on a 5-5 system. There has to be rules in place so that its fair.

Defensive wouldve had to be won from our pool as there was so many more games so more chances of winning it... This is why BNSW need to make every pool the same number of teams and games.

[The Unbias Bias]

The all-star five is done on the game voting by coaches on a percentage basis. Smith obviiously got a larger percentage of votes than those other blokes. That is the system. He is actually quite a good player. He played here for a while, when he was younger he was very impressive. he is probly a little past his prime now but is by far Ports best. You do not have to be in the top ten scorers to be in the all-star five either, in my opinion Godwin does not deserve to be there. Also Murphy from here should be a perennial all-star but I don't always vote for him I vote each game as I see it, not everyone does that!! one game we beat Armidale by heaps and they gave their players five of the votes and ours five of the votes. They were not even in the hunt. These things all effect the MVP and AS5. But really just because you don't know him does not mean he does not deserve it.

In short there are no choices as you suggest it is percentage of votes through season. The only awards that are "choices" are the Coach, defensive and rookie. They are voted by each association at the end of the season on a ballot sent out by NSW. I personally don't think Hawkesly is necessarily the defensive player of the year but I guess I don't have a better one in mind though.

That's fair enough for you to say coming from someone who's seen him, but from what i've seen port didn't make div 1 semis or the div 2 finals weekend, they lost to a wagga team in Port mind you, which lost by 50 in the div 2 grand final to illawarra this year, whereas McCoy is the glue that holds his team together week in week out and would or should've figured in the voting nearly every game he played. Every time we played them i'm sure he got votes from us. You're here saying i shouldn't discredit someone i havent seen, which is fair enough, but shouldn't you do the same? At least the guy im saying deserved to be there led his team to the div 1 grand final and played tougher opposition week in week out so i think they're grounds to be in the all star 5, same goes for Godwin. If anything he deserved to be there more than Hawkesley.

As far as defensive player goes no one stands out for mind, so i cant argue giving it to hawkesley much either.

So when you say % you mean votes/game or just votes received in total? Obviously it's out of everyone's hands if they use a system but it just highlights how badly the system is floored.

This Smith guy didn't play for Port last year did he?

I know exactly what you're saying about the voting though, it doesn't compensate for the losers taking their anger out on the form! We had a few instances with that this year where the voting seemed ridiculous from the opposition after they lost. Whereas after one game where we got smoked by Macarthur we were there discussing who on our team deserved any votes, since everyone on that day was disgraceful compared to how they played. Oh just for you stylin i think we went 7-3 or 8-2 in favour of you boys that game!

[EightyEight]

Illawarra's coach usually gave it 6-4 to winning team. He noticed on some of the voting that a coach was very favourable to one player on his team no matter what which is crap in my opinion.

[THE VIKING]

The voting is stupid! There should be a rule. If you punish a team then it should be on a 7 to 3 voting system to the winning team. If its a good win then it should be on a 6-4 system. If its a tight game and anyone couldve won then on a 5-5 system. There has to be rules in place so that its fair.

Defensive wouldve had to be won from our pool as there was so many more games so more chances of winning it... This is why BNSW need to make every pool the same number of teams and games.

agree with you

[THE VIKING]

That's fair enough for you to say coming from someone who's seen him, but from what i've seen port didn't make div 1 semis or the div 2 finals weekend, they lost to a wagga team in Port mind you, which lost by 50 in the div 2 grand final to illawarra this year, whereas McCoy is the glue that holds his team together week in week out and would or should've figured in the voting nearly every game he played. Every time we played them i'm sure he got votes from us. You're here saying i shouldn't discredit someone i havent seen, which is fair enough, but shouldn't you do the same? At least the guy im saying deserved to be there led his team to the div 1 grand final and played tougher opposition week in week out so i think they're grounds to be in the all star 5, same goes for Godwin. If anything he deserved to be there more than Hawkesley.

As far as defensive player goes no one stands out for mind, so i cant argue giving it to hawkesley much either.

So when you say % you mean votes/game or just votes received in total? Obviously it's out of everyone's hands if they use a system but it just highlights how badly the system is floored.

This Smith guy didn't play for Port last year did he?

I know exactly what you're saying about the voting though, it doesn't compensate for the losers taking their anger out on the form! We had a few instances with that this year where the voting seemed ridiculous from the opposition after they lost. Whereas after one game where we got smoked by Macarthur we were there discussing who on our team deserved any votes, since everyone on that day was disgraceful compared to how they played. Oh just for you stylin i think we went 7-3 or 8-2 in favour of you boys that game!

I have seen McCoy and Godwin play!! I am not saying it is right what I am saying is that it is worked out on percentage of points SOMEHOW I am not sure how they do it. One thing we all agree on the system has some serious issues. Don't really know how to fix it though while there is 4 pools playing independent of eachother. Just because a team does not make finals does not say there is a player there who is good enough to make all-star five though. i dont have an answer on how to fix it but it needs fixing or abolishing one or the other.

[A Higher Authority]

Perhaps next year, when the whole shooting match becomes State League and there are 3-4 divisions, the All-Star Five could be restricted to teams which make the "first division" playoffs?
That plan still has as many holes as Swiss cheese so I don't like it anyway.

Anyone got some serious thoughts about a 3 or 4 division split for 2010, if "everyone" was playing SL and WBL didn't exist?
Such a plan could really irritate Illawarra and Newcastle / Central Coast, who could be pushed into a Southern and Northern division respectively.
Who really controls BNSW and would they stand up to those Associations if they refused to join a country division?

[The Unbias Bias]

Perhaps next year, when the whole shooting match becomes State League and there are 3-4 divisions, the All-Star Five could be restricted to teams which make the "first division" playoffs?
That plan still has as many holes as Swiss cheese so I don't like it anyway.

Anyone got some serious thoughts about a 3 or 4 division split for 2010, if "everyone" was playing SL and WBL didn't exist?
Such a plan could really irritate Illawarra and Newcastle / Central Coast, who could be pushed into a Southern and Northern division respectively.
Who really controls BNSW and would they stand up to those Associations if they refused to join a country division?

Removing the WABL and assuming all the current WABL teams wish to return to a new league really doesnt change much, except lower their costs potentially and encourage current SL teams to go up to div 1 to play the current WABL teams. This statement is assuming there is a div 1 with all the strongest teams (obviously the current wabl teams.) Wouldn't the 'new league' just have divisions, hence div 1 comprising of all the current wabl teams anyway? Because im assuming they'll be doing pools/divisions based on strength initially and than geographics, but this is bnsw so im guessing grafton for example could be put in the same pool as wagga if this goes through?

[Daevo]

They would definitely need divisions based on ability rather than geography. I can see some of the top 4 or 5 state league sides displacing the bottom few WABL teams but you couldn't have a Parra WABL playing Glebe or anything like that.... both comps have enough blowout games as it is without introducing more disparity.

[THE VIKING]

Perhaps next year, when the whole shooting match becomes State League and there are 3-4 divisions, the All-Star Five could be restricted to teams which make the "first division" playoffs?
That plan still has as many holes as Swiss cheese so I don't like it anyway.

Anyone got some serious thoughts about a 3 or 4 division split for 2010, if "everyone" was playing SL and WBL didn't exist?
Such a plan could really irritate Illawarra and Newcastle / Central Coast, who could be pushed into a Southern and Northern division respectively.
Who really controls BNSW and would they stand up to those Associations if they refused to join a country division?

Cost wise worse off. Standard wise that is great. I think our major issue this year was the lack of tough games over the past couple years leading to complacency and a little boredom. Therefore when finals series comes along we may be good enough on paper but have not had the match practise.

[soloman]

They would definitely need divisions based on ability rather than geography. I can see some of the top 4 or 5 state league sides displacing the bottom few WABL teams but you couldn't have a Parra WABL playing Glebe or anything like that.... both comps have enough blowout games as it is without introducing more disparity.

If it aint broke, dont fix it.

The only thing about raising standards of State League would be a promotion/relegation system. The State league div 1 teams can already apply to play ABA if they were willing to pay the freight. Why do away with the top tier of the sport in NSW because some Associations cant be bothered.

In the ABA competition this year any team could beat any other team on the night but I dont think that would apply of the competition was joined

[Daevo]

I agree 100% but you & I are not the morons running BA/BNSW

[stylin]

I rekon that the top teams in SBL.

Penrith, Macarthur, Hawkesbury, Illawarra, Grafton etc...

They could match up with the ABA comp. Penrith used to have an ABA aswell as Illawarra, even SEABL. So they have got the talent. Us (Macarthur) def have the talent but cause we dont have ABA our players go elsewhere. Its just the struggle to pay the huge nomination fees as we cant get sponsorship.

A one comp with different Divisions would make so much more sense. Run it just like the Euro leagues. I mean how succesful is the sport over there! A relegation system would be great. Or at the end of the comps the bottom and top teams play off to either keep their spot or lose it.

[EightyEight]

I rekon that the top teams in SBL.

Penrith, Macarthur, Hawkesbury, Illawarra, Grafton etc...

They could match up with the ABA comp. Penrith used to have an ABA aswell as Illawarra, even SEABL. So they have got the talent. Us (Macarthur) def have the talent but cause we dont have ABA our players go elsewhere. Its just the struggle to pay the huge nomination fees as we cant get sponsorship.

A one comp with different Divisions would make so much more sense. Run it just like the Euro leagues. I mean how succesful is the sport over there! A relegation system would be great. Or at the end of the comps the bottom and top teams play off to either keep their spot or lose it.

Sounds good to me.......i wouldnt mind travelling to Grafton once a year as long it was competitive. Hence the reason Illawarra sacrificed a free ticket to the finals by leaving the southern pool for better regular season games in the metro pool.

[THE VIKING]

Sounds good to me.......i wouldnt mind travelling to Grafton once a year as long it was competitive. Hence the reason Illawarra sacrificed a free ticket to the finals by leaving the southern pool for better regular season games in the metro pool.

Good to hear EE. There are a lot who have a different viewpoint though. Hence we were voted to NOT join the ABA in 2004 when Mitch Cork and Tim Kovacevic were here. It was a veiled vote on travel, although this was never mentioned. The issue is our cost though. It has gotten much more expensive to travel. If we went down that road you may come here once but we come metro or beyond numerous times. i think the travel equalisation of the past would need to be revisited if this was to be the case.

[stylin]

Good to hear EE. There are a lot who have a different viewpoint though. Hence we were voted to NOT join the ABA in 2004 when Mitch Cork and Tim Kovacevic were here. It was a veiled vote on travel, although this was never mentioned. The issue is our cost though. It has gotten much more expensive to travel. If we went down that road you may come here once but we come metro or beyond numerous times. i think the travel equalisation of the past would need to be revisited if this was to be the case.

Thats just unlucky for you guys. You will have to organise sponsors to cover your costs... Maybe a petrol station that can cover a buses petrol or something... Its a cost that solely will fall on you guys.

Teams that should be in ABA if money was there and distance.

Grafton, Illawarra, Penrith, Hawkesbury, Macarthur, Central Coast.

Thats would make the comp longer and tuffer. Thats 5 more games. 3 divisions like proper ball in other countries and a relegation system. If BNSW wants to get better and a Sydney team back in the NBL they need to start with the seniors to establish more support for the sport and more players at a higher level acorss NSW.

[The Unbias Bias]

Good to hear EE. There are a lot who have a different viewpoint though. Hence we were voted to NOT join the ABA in 2004 when Mitch Cork and Tim Kovacevic were here. It was a veiled vote on travel, although this was never mentioned. The issue is our cost though. It has gotten much more expensive to travel. If we went down that road you may come here once but we come metro or beyond numerous times. i think the travel equalisation of the past would need to be revisited if this was to be the case.

I'd think the annual bnsw meeting is coming up soon? Is anyone off here going this year for state league? If so what are your main points to discuss only to have nothing done by bnsw? My main queries would be to get rid of this womens and males combined pooling, which most agree is nothing but unfair to those associations who dont enter a womens team. i.e. 21 games vs 12 for pools D & C. I think somewhere in the vascinity of 16 games is ideal with maybe 1-2 double headers. Aslong as all teams can preferably play a similar amount of games.

[Daevo]

What's the point of attending? Everybody will agree on the way they want things to happen & BNSW will do something else as they do every year. Save your petrol dollars & voice for next year's games ;)

[The Unbias Bias]

What's the point of attending? Everybody will agree on the way they want things to happen & BNSW will do something else as they do every year. Save your petrol dollars & voice for next year's games ;)

Obviously that's the realistic way of looking at things, some of us live in this dream world where we pretend stuff 'may' happen once in a generation!

[THE VIKING]

Thats just unlucky for you guys. You will have to organise sponsors to cover your costs... Maybe a petrol station that can cover a buses petrol or something... Its a cost that solely will fall on you guys.

Teams that should be in ABA if money was there and distance.

Grafton, Illawarra, Penrith, Hawkesbury, Macarthur, Central Coast.

Thats would make the comp longer and tuffer. Thats 5 more games. 3 divisions like proper ball in other countries and a relegation system. If BNSW wants to get better and a Sydney team back in the NBL they need to start with the seniors to establish more support for the sport and more players at a higher level acorss NSW.

That's a fairly narrow minded view stylin. It is not bad luck at alll. If pools are done on ability and you want the best then it is up to the league as a whole to ensure it is financially viable. Hence travel equalisation. Do you know what that is? I was not talkin about ABA I was talkin about SL being in divisions rather than pools.

[THE VIKING]

I'd think the annual bnsw meeting is coming up soon? Is anyone off here going this year for state league? If so what are your main points to discuss only to have nothing done by bnsw? My main queries would be to get rid of this womens and males combined pooling, which most agree is nothing but unfair to those associations who dont enter a womens team. i.e. 21 games vs 12 for pools D & C. I think somewhere in the vascinity of 16 games is ideal with maybe 1-2 double headers. Aslong as all teams can preferably play a similar amount of games.

Finals venues should be rotated amongst the four pools in SL on a tender basis, piss ABA off to do their own thing. That way the finals will not only rotate between Sutherland and Gosford with Shoalhaven thrown in occassionally. Also the rules on who travels for the 1 v 1 playoff. Should not necessarily rotate. If finals in Sydney then metro or thereabouts travel first and vice versa if finals in country closer associations travel first.

[EightyEight]

one way to make things interesting is to have a country vs city all star game near the end of the season and the winner gets home court for the finals....

[stylin]

That's a fairly narrow minded view stylin. It is not bad luck at alll. If pools are done on ability and you want the best then it is up to the league as a whole to ensure it is financially viable. Hence travel equalisation. Do you know what that is? I was not talkin about ABA I was talkin about SL being in divisions rather than pools.

I think you didnt understand what i meant. If it was to be a 3 division comp like Euro leagues and you guys wanted to be in the Div 1 (ABA) then you would have to just travel... If SL was in divisions it could be done aswell. You would have ABA, SBL men Div 1 and Div 2. Teams would have to travel every weekend. Including us all the way up there.

But the Div 1 would look like - Grafton, Macarthur, Penrith, Hawkesbury, Central Coast, Illawarra. The other teams are a step below everyone else. You could maybe throw Queanbeyan and Tamworth in there. But without there 1 main player they arnt strong enough.

- one way to make things interesting is to have a country vs city all star game near the end of the season and the winner gets home court for the finals....
I like this idea!

[MAIN_MAN]

one way to make things interesting is to have a country vs city all star game near the end of the season and the winner gets home court for the finals....

Let's be serious, as if this game won't be anything but a blowout.

[THE VIKING]

I think you didnt understand what i meant. If it was to be a 3 division comp like Euro leagues and you guys wanted to be in the Div 1 (ABA) then you would have to just travel... If SL was in divisions it could be done aswell. You would have ABA, SBL men Div 1 and Div 2. Teams would have to travel every weekend. Including us all the way up there.

But the Div 1 would look like - Grafton, Macarthur, Penrith, Hawkesbury, Central Coast, Illawarra. The other teams are a step below everyone else. You could maybe throw Queanbeyan and Tamworth in there. But without there 1 main player they arnt strong enough.


I like this idea!

I get it. I don't mind the travel been there done that. But the issue is the COST of the travel hence travel equalisation of a financial nature not actually travelling that is a given. I mean monetary travel equalisation. Who has been around long enough to remember this. We used to have it.

[THE VIKING]

one way to make things interesting is to have a country vs city all star game near the end of the season and the winner gets home court for the finals....

Hahahaha finals would never be in metro!!!! Where would the all-star game be played. Maybe we could have a video link boat race to sort that out lol.

[EightyEight]

Let's be serious, as if this game won't be anything but a blowout.

You're right, The Country team would do some damage hey....

It how the MLB pick the home field advantage for the World series.

All Star Game would be at say........Newcastle...........a pretty central location. then the first winner gets the next game pthen switches from country to the city after that.......

I got ideas!!!

[The Unbias Bias]

You're right, The Country team would do some damage hey....

It how the MLB pick the home field advantage for the World series.

All Star Game would be at say........Newcastle...........a pretty central location. then the first winner gets the next game pthen switches from country to the city after that.......

I got ideas!!!

I like this idea and find it very intriguing, although imagine the controversy and discussion over who got left out and who made each team. I think a fair way of picking each team would be that each association gets to nominate say one of their own players who is automatically on either the metro/country team respectively. Similar to baseball where every team has at least 1 player in the all star game. Than if there are any left over spots the coaches, other associations and or players can vote as to who makes the team. Would be a very interesting game if it ever came to fruition.

[Daevo]

Sounds like a good way to get a team of point guards ;)

[stylin]

Yeh fair enough. Each team nominates a player to play and a player for dunk comp. That would make about 12 players for each team country and city.

And yes both teams will prb be more so guards.

[Lemon Custard]

Hahahaha finals would never be in metro!!!! Where would the all-star game be played. Maybe we could have a video link boat race to sort that out lol.

My bet's with Country on that one. Just get the majority of guys from the uni towns... Armidale, Lismore... the game's already won.

[stylin]

My bet's with Country on that one. Just get the majority of guys from the uni towns... Armidale, Lismore... the game's already won.

The games already won??? lol!! Both teams didnt make the finals... Are you serious?

Im sure city would win but it wouldnt be by a thousand like people expect. Tm sure the best of country could put a pretty good team together but not a winning one.

[Coachpete]

The games already won??? lol!! Both teams didnt make the finals... Are you serious?

Im sure city would win but it wouldnt be by a thousand like people expect. Tm sure the best of country could put a pretty good team together but not a winning one.

Pssst....LC is talking about the boat race, not the basketball game

[THE VIKING]

Pssst....LC is talking about the boat race, not the basketball game

HAHAHAHJAHA:dance:

[THE VIKING]

The games already won??? lol!! Both teams didnt make the finals... Are you serious?

Im sure city would win but it wouldnt be by a thousand like people expect. Tm sure the best of country could put a pretty good team together but not a winning one.

Even if we were talkin boat races lets now talk hoops. Illawarra and Gosford are country remember. Winning team ABSOLUTELY

[Lemon Custard]

The games already won??? lol!! Both teams didnt make the finals... Are you serious?

Im sure city would win but it wouldnt be by a thousand like people expect. Tm sure the best of country could put a pretty good team together but not a winning one.

That was a better reaction than I could have possibly hoped for!! :)

[Daevo]

Hey I'm a city boy & I was pretty good at boat races in my day
(I did go to uni in Wollongong though....does that mean I'm country?)

[EightyEight]

Hey I'm a city boy & I was pretty good at boat races in my day
(I did go to uni in Wollongong though....does that mean I'm country?)

Only if you have been sh!tfaced at the North Gong.

[Lemon Custard]

Hey I'm a city boy & I was pretty good at boat races in my day
(I did go to uni in Wollongong though....does that mean I'm country?)

I too was born and raised in the city, but my drinking education began in the country, and it's never quite been the same when I've been back home. I assume most of it has to do with living on campus... By contrast, the Shire Kids always pack their passports and come home after uni, so I'd back the Country Kids over The Shire kids every single time. UNE has the highest concentration of alcohol consumption for population and space on the planet (I don't know where the university gets this info from, but it's usually thrown at us as a bad thing..). Wollongong has nothing on that.

And for the record, I'm rarely in Wollongong, in fact, I avoid it entirely... But I'm pretty sure I too have been rather intoxicated at North Gong... Heh. Oh dear. You'd think I was some sort of crazy drunk...

[THE VIKING]

I too was born and raised in the city, but my drinking education began in the country, and it's never quite been the same when I've been back home. I assume most of it has to do with living on campus... By contrast, the Shire Kids always pack their passports and come home after uni, so I'd back the Country Kids over The Shire kids every single time. UNE has the highest concentration of alcohol consumption for population and space on the planet (I don't know where the university gets this info from, but it's usually thrown at us as a bad thing..). Wollongong has nothing on that.

And for the record, I'm rarely in Wollongong, in fact, I avoid it entirely... But I'm pretty sure I too have been rather intoxicated at North Gong... Heh. Oh dear. You'd think I was some sort of crazy drunk...

With the current line of conversation it is going to be a loooong off season of we are trading uni drinking stories from god knows how long ago. By the way the "Bar on the Hill" at Newcastle uni swallowed quite a chunk of my austudy money on a Thursday night.

[Daevo]

UNE has the highest concentration of alcohol consumption for population and space on the planet (I don't know where the university gets this info from, but it's usually thrown at us as a bad thing..).
Nice claim but I call bullshit on that one. As far back as I can remember, UNE has always been full of tree-hugging hippy types who weren't that great on the turps. Now if it was cannabis smoking we were talking about..... ;)

[Lemon Custard]

Nice claim but I call bullshit on that one. As far back as I can remember, UNE has always been full of tree-hugging hippy types who weren't that great on the turps. Now if it was cannabis smoking we were talking about..... ;)

Hahahaha. Spend a night in a college. Just one. If there really was much pot smoking, I'd be dead (seeing as how I'm violently allergic to it and all). We aren't so classy here... We drink goon and it comes out of gigantic bins... haha.

[CGG]

Nice claim but I call bullshit on that one. As far back as I can remember, UNE has always been full of tree-hugging hippy types who weren't that great on the turps. Now if it was cannabis smoking we were talking about..... ;)

It's possible you've gone too far back Daevo. Even in my day the Rocket fuel was made by the bin load and the leaf smokers could be counted quite easily. (Rooms where the curtains were never open and the cleaners not allowed near the wardrobes were the key factors here). Oh, and you're only a little older than I am ;)

[Lemon Custard]

It's possible you've gone too far back Daevo. Even in my day the Rocket fuel was made by the bin load and the leaf smokers could be counted quite easily. (Rooms where the curtains were never open and the cleaners not allowed near the wardrobes were the key factors here). Oh, and you're only a little older than I am ;)

Cept now the fire alarms are so sensitive that even spraying deodorant underneath them sets them off... And room cleaning and sheet exchange is compulsory (in Austin anyway, at EPC those skeasy buggers don't cop a fine for not having their room cleaned.. gross). Either way, pot smokers have some trouble these days...

[Daevo]

Sorry, I thought we were talking about staff ;)

[THE VIKING]

anyone still here?

[Prodigal]

anyone still here?

Bit slow in the country mate? :D
It's 2010....try the new thread ;)

[THE VIKING]

Bit slow in the country mate? :D
It's 2010....try the new thread ;)

hahaha. slow is how we like it!!!