Bullets For Sale :(

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

Just reported on TEN News.

Eddie is out. Such a shame

[singy]

What hope do they have if this is true? :(

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

The Bullets will live, I am sure of it...

Don't know why I am sure of it

[boz_novocastrian]

not really surprised. but would adelaide also be in trouble

[BlowJoggs]

I will buy the Bullets, just waiting to cash in on my ABC shares.

[Southern Joe]

What hope do they have if this is true? :(

This can also mean good news. If Eddy is gonna fall ... better the Bullets not be part of the crash.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I would be more concerned with the loss of the ABC sponsorship to the NBL then just the Bullets. New Ownership might not be such a bad thing, it might mean they actually start promoting the game and working hard to get results rather then receiving blank cheques from a millionaire.

Hopefully we can bounce back and retain players.

[Voice(s)]

That's what I thought. The Bullets should be alright but it's the sponsorship and to a lesser extent The Dome that concerns me.

[Virus]

How can Eddie be out and the Bullets still be for sale?

For Eddie to be out, wouldn't it have to mean that he has either sold the team to someone else, or that the team has folded and he has handed back the licence to the NBL? If the team is still for sale, then neither of those two things have happened yet - and means Eddie is still responsible for paying wages, super, etc.

Lets all remember Eddie is going to be fine, his US dealings is what has caused the stock to do what it has, the business will again be clean and will start to build bakc its stronghold in UK and Australia. Hopefully ABC continue to support basketball.

[Stumps]

He no longer owns any of ABC -- he sold his entire stake.

[HunterPirates]

he sold his entire stake.

Not quite. He's got 3000 shares.

[A Really Bad Bass Player]

How can Eddie be out and the Bullets still be for sale?

For Eddie to be out, wouldn't it have to mean that he has either sold the team to someone else, or that the team has folded and he has handed back the licence to the NBL? If the team is still for sale, then neither of those two things have happened yet - and means Eddie is still responsible for paying wages, super, etc.

Sorry, Eddie wants/needs out

[King of Kings]

Lets all remember Eddie is going to be fine, his US dealings is what has caused the stock to do what it has, the business will again be clean and will start to build bakc its stronghold in UK and Australia. Hopefully ABC continue to support basketball.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about. The margin calls on Groves has effectively wiped his wealth out. He was forced to sell all his shares in ABC to cover some not all the outstanding dues. Which means not only his he not the chairman of ABC he is not even a shareholder any more. He didn't sell the 75% stake i the US leaning centres, ABC did. two different entities. I feel a great deal of sympathy for Eddie to be in this position.

But effective now Eddie has nothing to do with ABC and will still be forced to keep selling assets to payout the banks.
The next stories will soon be about the 36's seeking new owners to join Hemmerling, otherwise that will be the next team up for sale.

[Southern Joe]

... I think the calls that Eddie will be fine are long term calls. Yeah .. he's gonna struggle greatly now ... but he'll draw strength form seeing the likes of Donald Trump who went stone flat broke after having millions to re-building his empire & now being worth billions.

I think Eddy will bounce back.

[Katisha66]

:( Sad news, and yet there was always a danger this was going to happen. (only cos I was around in the "greed is good" 1980s to see what happened when even very successful businesses overcapitalised too fast). I just hope somebody, anybody buys the team cos I'd hate to see one of the few remaining foundation clubs in the NBL go under.

[hendrix]

club just emailed season ticket holders to announce Eddy is selling the team... the wheels are in motion

[GordonG]

Official now...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/sp ... 68351.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/sport/brisbane-bullets-up-for-sale/2008/03/14/1205126168351.html)

(It's in the paper - it must be true...)

[King of Kings]

A suggestion to how and who should buy the Bullets.
How about one of the Kings and Bullets favourite Sons buying the Bullets. Hammer Heal could and should with Simon Kerle and other of his rich Gold Coast mates.

I think Hammer is the perfect guy to be a team owner. He hasdone very well out of basketball as well as being a good business man outside of sport. He is well connected in the business world in South East Queensland. And as we all know Coaching didn't work out for him but his knowledge of the game, league and business makes him a very suitable candidate. Oh and it would guarantee the end of that pest Van Gonagain.

What do Bullets fans think of this idea?

[Mammon]

he sold his entire stake.

Not quite. He's got 3000 shares.


i got 6000.

[Skindog the Hawk]

A suggestion to how and who should buy the Bullets.
How about one of the Kings and Bullets favourite Sons buying the Bullets. Hammer Heal could and should with Simon Kerle and other of his rich Gold Coast mates.

I think Hammer is the perfect guy to be a team owner. He hasdone very well out of basketball as well as being a good business man outside of sport. He is well connected in the business world in South East Queensland. And as we all know Coaching didn't work out for him but his knowledge of the game, league and business makes him a very suitable candidate. Oh and it would guarantee the end of that pest Van Gonagain.

What do Bullets fans think of this idea?

As long as Hammer doesn't play himself into the team, then as an owner he may do all right.

SD.

[Big Shot Joey]

Whats the asking price for an NBL team these days?

[isaac]

Depends which one. Unlikely to be over $2m in most cases.

[Young Gun]

A suggestion to how and who should buy the Bullets.
How about one of the Kings and Bullets favourite Sons buying the Bullets. Hammer Heal could and should with Simon Kerle and other of his rich Gold Coast mates.

I think Hammer is the perfect guy to be a team owner. He hasdone very well out of basketball as well as being a good business man outside of sport. He is well connected in the business world in South East Queensland. And as we all know Coaching didn't work out for him but his knowledge of the game, league and business makes him a very suitable candidate. Oh and it would guarantee the end of that pest Van Gonagain.

What do Bullets fans think of this idea? The day that Hammer becomes a Bullets owner is the day that I look for a new team to support... I think the past 2 years have been a good expose of his character

[King of Kings]

[quote="King of Kings":hk3uskbs]A suggestion to how and who should buy the Bullets.
How about one of the Kings and Bullets favourite Sons buying the Bullets. Hammer Heal could and should with Simon Kerle and other of his rich Gold Coast mates.

I think Hammer is the perfect guy to be a team owner. He hasdone very well out of basketball as well as being a good business man outside of sport. He is well connected in the business world in South East Queensland. And as we all know Coaching didn't work out for him but his knowledge of the game, league and business makes him a very suitable candidate. Oh and it would guarantee the end of that pest Van Gonagain.

What do Bullets fans think of this idea? The day that Hammer becomes a Bullets owner is the day that I look for a new team to support... I think the past 2 years have been a good expose of his character[/quote:hk3uskbs]

What has he done to hurt his character? He cam out of retirement when asked by Cowen. He played awesome for guy who was out of the game as long as he was. He accepted the challenge (probably a mistake) to take over as coach after Price was exposed to be useless. His coaching was not the best, but the guy is still a great the game in this country and a good guy. He was asked to leave he did not cut and run, so I do not understand what you are reffering to.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I don't care if Paris Hilton buys the club, as long as there is a club. And you guys are worried about Hammer? Beggers can't be choosers. :o

[King of Kings]

I don't care if Paris Hilton buys the club, as long as there is a club. And you guys are worried about Hammer? Beggers can't be choosers. :o

I am not worried about Hammer. It was just a suggestion.

[havrilla the gorilla]

[quote="havrilla the gorilla":2vy36d7c]I don't care if Paris Hilton buys the club, as long as there is a club. And you guys are worried about Hammer? Beggers can't be choosers. :o

I am not worried about Hammer. It was just a suggestion.[/quote:2vy36d7c]



You took that literally. My point was I would rather Heal owning the club as opposed to the Bullets no longer existing. From what I hear Shane's businesses are going well. I don't expect you to actually worry about him unless you are personally connected to him.

[bucky]

[quote="havrilla the gorilla":5ihdmtv7]I don't care if Paris Hilton buys the club, as long as there is a club. And you guys are worried about Hammer? Beggers can't be choosers. :o

I am not worried about Hammer. It was just a suggestion.[/quote:5ihdmtv7]

Personally I would love the Hammer to buy the Bullets. Then there would be no chance of him playing for my Blaze :P

[Statman72]

[quote="havrilla the gorilla":3f2nv5qe]I don't care if Paris Hilton buys the club, as long as there is a club. And you guys are worried about Hammer? Beggers can't be choosers. :o

I am not worried about Hammer. It was just a suggestion.

Personally I would love the Hammer to buy the Bullets. Then there would be no chance of him playing for my Blaze :P[/quote:3f2nv5qe]

Totally agree!! :)

[fahootie]

I'll take whatever owner coughs up the cash.....as long as he hasn't made his money selling some dodgy product like a miracle fuel additive.

Hammer would be OK....he is passionate about basketball and knows the league. I doubt he alone would have the cash to pay up though.

[whupass]

Things are happening as we type, lets just hope it comes off...

[Cracker]

Things are happening as we type, lets just hope it comes off...

Is it an individual or a group? Anymore news?

[Catsfan]

Hammer is too smart a businessman to buy an NBL club.

Unless you were a multi-millionaire, wtf would you buy an NBL club?

If I won the new year's eve lotto jackpot, I'd consider it, but for those losses I think I'd rather purchase a few class thoroughbreds and just buy a corporate box to watch the games!

[Young Gun]

I don't care if Paris Hilton buys the club, as long as there is a club. And you guys are worried about Hammer? Beggers can't be choosers. :o Who's begging? sounds like there's several interested parties...and the sad reality is that if I dont want to support the Bullets, there are a myriad of other options to divert my options outside of bball...or even inside bball the SEABL is pretty good. Might be time to jump on the Carlton bandwagon :)....& before I hear criticism of being a fickle Bullets supporter...I've been a fan since 1990 & have been through some pretty horendous years

[Glenn]

Good luck to the bullets finding a owner, have to wonder who will next be in line next for new ownership. :(

[ash_24]

Somehow, this got into ESPN's Truehoop (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-31-49/Friday-Mini-Bullets.html). :shock:

[isaac]

Comes one day after ESPN's True Hoop linked to the site of the 36ers:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... Bowen.html (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-31-43/Watch-Chris-Paul-Fouling-Bruce-Bowen.html)

[hendrix]

Comes one day after ESPN's True Hoop linked to the site of the 36ers:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... Bowen.html (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-31-43/Watch-Chris-Paul-Fouling-Bruce-Bowen.html)

maybe a nba team will buy them and use them as a development team????

there are worse ideas...

[ash_24]

Comes one day after ESPN's True Hoop linked to the site of the 36ers:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... Bowen.html (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-31-43/Watch-Chris-Paul-Fouling-Bruce-Bowen.html)
Just think... all that extra pub could lead to another Ferrari or three! Maybe a yellow one this time. :lol: :wink:

[Cracker]

Comes one day after ESPN's True Hoop linked to the site of the 36ers:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... Bowen.html (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-31-43/Watch-Chris-Paul-Fouling-Bruce-Bowen.html)

maybe a nba team will buy them and use them as a development team????

there are worse ideas...

The fact that we would't be allowed to play in the NBL could be a problem.

[phill]

Just a quick note to the Bullets fans that I hope this thing pans out ok for your Club. Damn shame all this. I dont like Eddie for the things he has done for the Childcare Industry, but I'm am full of admiration for what he has done for the Bullets and the NBL in general.

[Hum]

It looks like the team have shafted JVG. The Courier Mail reports today that the team will move forward without JVG. It looks like he has dug himself a big hole and has lost the respect of his own club and they now want him gone.

[whupass]

It looks like the team have shafted JVG. The Courier Mail reports today that the team will move forward without JVG. It looks like he has dug himself a big hole and has lost the respect of his own club and they now want him gone.

Its not called shafting, its called KARMA!

With the old owner now out, JVG and his wage were never going to be part of any new consortium. I reckon Jeff knows what its like beign out on that limb all by himself with about 200 people warming up the chainsaws!!

[fraggs]

Hey, let's perhaps not jump to conclusions and just accept that Groves and JVG have "moved on". Perhaps Jeff had an over-inflated salary, maybe he genuinely wants to try something else, I'm not sure it matters. It was JVG who was ultimately behind the high-powered recruitment and the spending of this club and without Groves and his wallet I think it's the right move for Jeff to take his strategies elsewhere. Plus it makes it all the more likely that Joey can stick with the club and put all the recent nonsense behind him. As JVG is quoted himself as saying, whoever buys the new club should have a clean slate and that means chosing your own GM, your own staff, your own coach and your own strategy for the future. JVG has no place in all of that and I don't think anyone apart from Joey has been particularly hard done by here and that was more a media beat-up than anything else.

It's officially the end of an era for the Bullets. It's hard to ignore the negatives, but in the end Groves and JVG did good things for the club so at least from a Bullet's fan perspective there should be no regrets or in fact any hard feelings at all.

[Katisha66]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23387043-23769,00.html)

At least it appears there are a few interested parties with regards to buying the Bullets.

[lawsy82]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23388536-23769,00.html)

JVG is gone,owner has gone, Cj gone(announced soon) half the roster will go, i guess JVG dug himself a big hole lying to players,media CARMA its a beautiful thing

[niggle]

Ok Lawsy so where is CJ going? And is senior part of the deal?

[fahootie]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23388536-23769,00.html

JVG is gone,owner has gone, Cj gone(announced soon) half the roster will go, i guess JVG dug himself a big hole lying to players,media CARMA its a beautiful thing


:lol: so is Karma.

[lawsy82]

Ok Lawsy so where is CJ going? And is senior part of the deal?

ive heard Russia, 2 year deal ive been saying that for 3weeks. Snr?? im not sure about that i dont know everything and wont post stuff i dont know... Look im not a bullets inside expert, but in my line of work, ive heard some stuff thats all. Everything i know i have posted,all have been true so far

[informant]

THE Brisbane Bullets are looking for a new owner and a new general manager following Jeff Van Groningen's decision to resign.

Van Groningen, 37, was recruited to the Bullets from the Melbourne Tigers six years ago by Eddy Groves who last week announced he was selling the foundation NBL club to channel all his attention to his child care empire.

Brisbane's future in the NBL is uncertain with coach Joey Wright and the players canvassing the community and the government for help following Groves' decision to sell his club.

Apart from being part of Brisbane's first championship success in 20 years in 2006-2007, Van Groningen recruited a host of talent to the club including skipper Sam Mackinnon, this season's MVP runner-up Ebi Ere, import Dusty Rychart, Kiwi internationals Craig Bradshaw and Dillon Boucher and veteran guards Derek Rucker and CJ Bruton.

"The reality is that I was brought to the Bullets by Eddy Groves, and its most appropriate that I leave at the same time," said Van Groningen in his final press release.

"There are new challenges ahead for the club, and it will be up to someone new to own and run this team.

"I think it's important I made this decision to clarify for any prospective buyers what they are getting.

"They will get a clean look at running the Bullets the way they feel most appropriate and I don't want to hinder that process in any way."

Coach Joey Wright, Mackinnon and office staff member Narelle Kelly spoke with interested parties over the weekend and have set up meetings with politicians in a bid to keep the Bullets alive.

Wright and his players have already agreed to take pay cuts to help secure a new owner.

A lot however will depend on whether existing sponsorships with Groves' ABC Learning Centres and Virgin will continue.

[Cracker]

Interesting post, feels like I've read it before thoug. How did you get all those direct quotes by yourself?

[isaac]

New owner in place I believe, but yet to be identified.

[coast2coast]

New owner in place I believe, but yet to be identified.

Good to know that is the case. How about the Sixers?

[havrilla the gorilla]

New owner in place I believe, but yet to be identified.


You believe...c'mon champ give us more than that. Don't you remember high school assignments when you had to do a bibliography and/or a reference?

A lot of peoples happiness and relief are hanging on this news and you believe. :x

[King of Kings]

THE Brisbane Bullets are looking for a new owner and a new general manager following Jeff Van Groningen's decision to resign.

Van Groningen, 37, was recruited to the Bullets from the Melbourne Tigers six years ago by Eddy Groves who last week announced he was selling the foundation NBL club to channel all his attention to his child care empire.

Brisbane's future in the NBL is uncertain with coach Joey Wright and the players canvassing the community and the government for help following Groves' decision to sell his club.

Apart from being part of Brisbane's first championship success in 20 years in 2006-2007, Van Groningen recruited a host of talent to the club including skipper Sam Mackinnon, this season's MVP runner-up Ebi Ere, import Dusty Rychart, Kiwi internationals Craig Bradshaw and Dillon Boucher and veteran guards Derek Rucker and CJ Bruton.

"The reality is that I was brought to the Bullets by Eddy Groves, and its most appropriate that I leave at the same time," said Van Groningen in his final press release.

"There are new challenges ahead for the club, and it will be up to someone new to own and run this team.

"I think it's important I made this decision to clarify for any prospective buyers what they are getting.

"They will get a clean look at running the Bullets the way they feel most appropriate and I don't want to hinder that process in any way."

Coach Joey Wright, Mackinnon and office staff member Narelle Kelly spoke with interested parties over the weekend and have set up meetings with politicians in a bid to keep the Bullets alive.

Wright and his players have already agreed to take pay cuts to help secure a new owner.

A lot however will depend on whether existing sponsorships with Groves' ABC Learning Centres and Virgin will continue.

Van Groningen would not have the money over the cap to keep the current roster or get high priced players to put a competitive team on the court which I am sure is one of the reason he has decided to go. Let alone his salary would be a drain. More than likely any new owner would go inside to run the club or bring in their own person (at less than Jeff has cost).

[WHIPS]

New owner in place I believe, but yet to be identified.

Is that a plural, Isaac? I was under the impression it was a consortium. It's a positive atleast.

[isaac]

Unsure. Just heard that new ownership is in place.

[Young Gun]

The positive in this is that Joey, Sam & Narelle are all passionate about keeping the club afloat & successful. Both Sam & Joey could easily fly the coop & get better deals elsewhere - so it's good to see in modern sports people who are putting their club first

[isaac]

If Joey was getting a good package under Groves, and they cut it by 60%, that could still be in line with what other clubs are paying? (e.g., using $160k and $100k as example figures.)

[WebMonkey]

If he was on $160k and it was cut by 63% (the figure I heard), then he would be on $59.2k.... not $100k...

[isaac]

Sorry, meant 160k cut and 100k eventual. May have lost accommodation/car/utilities/etc from a package.

[singy]

I'm a bit confused here. Papers in Melbourne have previously reported that Joey Wright walked as he was upset with the club, but then I've also read that he's actively involved in trying to find new ownership. Which is it?

[isaac]

Bit of both, it seems.

[fraggs]

You can find quotes from Joey stating that until someone gives it to him straight he's going to consider himself still in a job and he's thus going to go about doing what he thinks is best for the club. Given that the two biggest pains in his ass, JVG and Groves, are washing their hands of it all, I think Joey has eased back on any notion of walking out and decided to stick around and see if someone perhaps would like to be nice to him.

[coast2coast]

The positive in this is that Joey, Sam & Narelle are all passionate about keeping the club afloat & successful. Both Sam & Joey could easily fly the coop & get better deals elsewhere - so it's good to see in modern sports people who are putting their club first

Right now I hear Sammy Mac may not be ready to play next season so he probably won't get a better deal than the one he is on.

[hendrix]

The positive in this is that Joey, Sam & Narelle are all passionate about keeping the club afloat & successful. Both Sam & Joey could easily fly the coop & get better deals elsewhere - so it's good to see in modern sports people who are putting their club first

Right now I hear Sammy Mac may not be ready to play next season so he probably won't get a better deal than the one he is on.

i've heard the same thing. Even if he was fully fit, I can't see how anyone could afford to give him a better deal than his current contract anyway.

[curious]

Anyone can offer him the max of $175K. ;)

[isaac]

Hasn't he overcome huge deals and injury before to shift clubs?

[hendrix]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23397033-23769,00.html)

interesting comments by the Premier, considering the 'sponsorships' they have with the Broncos and other clubs.

Unless, i'm wrong the Government is also the major sponsor of the Queensland Reds through Qld Rail.

[Katisha66]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23397033-23769,00.html

interesting comments by the Premier, considering the 'sponsorships' they have with the Broncos and other clubs.

Unless, i'm wrong the Government is also the major sponsor of the Queensland Reds through Qld Rail.

Blight probably can't afford it because of the cost of getting Beattie his swish new US job. :roll:

[Van_Ewen]

No need to be an ass derek! If the bullets go under then I think the NBL as a whole is in serious shit. On the same proportions as say the kings going under. I still think the bullets will get there white knight (fingers crossed) and fox will renew the tv contract. They like waiting to the last minute and getting a bargain price from what i've heard and read.

[Voice(s)]

Like I've said previously the NBL isn't going anywhere and funnily enough Boti on Thursday wrote this for his "Around the NBL" column:

www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,226 ... 71,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23405179-5006371,00.html)

[Moth]

Like I've said previously the NBL isn't going anywhere and funnily enough Boti on Thursday wrote this for his "Around the NBL" column:

www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,226 ... 71,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23405179-5006371,00.html)

How was this though for a Sydney report on the Kings-Tigers grand final series?

"It's very rare that you get two teams at the top of their games playing at 100 per cent intensity over four consecutive games but that's why we've had such a great series.

"That doesn't happen very often in sport during the finals.

"Just look at the AFL grand final last year between Port Adelaide and Geelong. It was in no way as enthralling as the NBL championship series."

The writer? Paul Roos, Swans premiership coach.

Yeah. The NBL is dead.



Thanks for the link, Voice(s). I love you, Paul Roos.

[WebMonkey]

So has anyone got any Bullets news? There's been nothing in the media lately... I hope our team isn't just going to slowly go down the drain never to be heard from again...

[havrilla the gorilla]

So has anyone got any Bullets news? There's been nothing in the media lately... I hope our team isn't just going to slowly go down the drain never to be heard from again...


There has been a little bit in the papers, but nothing in the last couple of days. The last I heard was that Joey and co. had meetings with potential owners, and it went ok. They havn't said yes but also haven't shut the door. The general consensus that is putting buyers off, is whether the business is financially viable and can sustain itself. The television coverage was a factor in this, and I don't think potential owners have pockets as deep as Eddy if it doesn't make a buck. We all know it was a labour of love for Eddy, so unless we find another owner with the same patience it might be looking grim.

Joey was also quoted in the paper as saying the urgency to find a new owner is no longer there in the short term because Eddy has paid the bills up to June this year. But I thought players would have needed to know the club was going to be ok, for the free agents deadline of this weekend.
If anybody can shed any light on this issue let me know, because my interpretation was come this weekend, the Bullets roster would have been picked off by other clubs like a dead gunman's clothes and belongings in an old western movie, unless a new owner was found beforehand. :?

[isaac]

I'm sure the club will sell when the price comes down. Can't imagine that Groves' position improves with time, so any buyer will just wait.

[WebMonkey]

Heard the price is already $1...

[Stumps]

I'm sure the club will sell when the price comes down. Can't imagine that Groves' position improves with time, so any buyer will just wait.
But the longer they wait while the club is in limbo, the less valuable the club becomes (human assets running out the door, supporters and sponsors allocating their time and money to other commitments).

[isaac]

No guarantee that they could pick it up now and retain the full roster anyway.

[Stumps]

No, they may have left it too late. But I'm sure every day would make their chances less and less, just as is probably the case with the Kings.

[King of Kings]

There will be no roster left by the end of the week. I hate to say it, but I think it could be to late for the Bullets. A big loss to the league if so.

[King of Kings]

No, they may have left it too late. But I'm sure every day would make their chances less and less, just as is probably the case with the Kings.

Kings are more than fine. Stop the Kings in trouble stuff. Just wait and see.

[Stumps]

No, they may have left it too late. But I'm sure every day would make their chances less and less, just as is probably the case with the Kings.
Kings are more than fine. Stop the Kings in trouble stuff. Just wait and see.
Couldn't the Kings have demanded a higher price if Goorj hadn't yet left?

[havrilla the gorilla]

I guess it is a matter of whether NBL clubs attract a "flat rate" which is only moderately modified depending on personel. I think no matter where the for sale sign is situated, there are basic economic requirements that need to be satisfied.

However, you can't help but think(at face value) having a Gorj or a Bruton/Mackinnon/Ere with that for sale sign would make it a more attractive commodity because it has a greater chance to succeed.

I think to nullify this way of thinking, all bets are off and you buy the club as is and any personel additions are a bonus. At the end of the day you are buying a business; that posesses a business plan, data that needs to be analysed and wages that need to be addressed. I know it is not the same, but in theory it is like exploring the possibility of buying a pizza hut and being hesitant because the current best pizza makers wants out and the best store manager is leaving.

NBL clubs can be rebuilt, it just takes good people with good business sense along with dedication and hard work. Dave Claxton is a classic example of running a smart and durable business on the Coast.

[fahootie]

From what I heard last night, the Bullets are goneski.

even if they do get the sale that they are working on, most of the players will be gone.


Go Blaze?

...and I can't even hate the Kings anymore (where is Worthington going?)

[isaac]

Just in a bit of trouble and losing players, or gone gone?

Worthington rumours seem to be Italy, Melbourne, Perth, and the new one is Cairns. Loads of potential options for you to hate on while you wait for news about the Bullets. ;)

[Earnie Shavers]

Melbourne x 2, and aaages ago the Blaze were mentioned by someone on here. Of course on top of those there's the miniscule chance the Kings pull off a miracle, which I don't in the slightest think will happen, but no doubt they'll try, so it's another hat in the ring.

Depending on what happens with the Brisbane squad, he'd have to be the biggest legitimate (Australian) free agent on the market?

[Stumps]

I'd argue that regardless of what happens with the Bullets he will be. Mackinnon and Bruton aren't going to get any better from here on in, but the sky is the limit for Wortho.

[isaac]

Asking price is supposedly $350k. Has age on his side, but if he runs to Europe, that's a dent in any club's plans.

[Earnie Shavers]

I think if CJ is on the market he'd be #1. The best point guard in a league absolutely starved of decent point guards. Experience, leadership, scoring ability. Logically Worthington of course has more upside for the future and overall more value, but there's no guarantee he'll be here, and the NBL is all about 'now' anyway. Having said that, I think there'd be more real competition for Worthington across the board. Every team would take CJ in heartbeat, but realistically there's probably only a very small list of teams he'd actually play for, 3 or 4 narrowed down to a couple once you take into consideration the teams realistic points cap positions. I agree though that at this stage in their respective careers, Worthington would certainly be a far better prospect than Mackinnon.

[Earnie Shavers]

Asking price is supposedly $350k.

Lock in Cairns then.

[AngusH]

I'll admit that my bias means I'd rather see him overseas than in another NBL jersey, but Worthington would be nuts to not go to Europe. He's a damn sight better than some of the other Aussies playing over there.

[Stumps]

Asking price is supposedly $350k. Has age on his side, but if he runs to Europe, that's a dent in any club's plans.
That's the eternal gamble in the NBL -- you want the best players, but they're also the most likely to piss off overseas, be they imports or Australians.

[curious]

Asking price is supposedly $350k.
Lock in Cairns then.
Seems everyone one wants him, that's not surprising.
The $$'s on offer are (allegedly) HUGE.
Shame about the salary cap. Whereeer Wortho goes you can count on him earning way over any cap salary. Shame the NBL can't prove it.
Wortho has gone from a 3 point player to a 10.

[Earnie Shavers]

Saw Eddie Groves outside a cafe near my work this morning. That is all. Carry on.

[fahootie]

Saw Eddie Groves outside a cafe near my work this morning. That is all. Carry on.

was he spending money?

[Clips]

Busking?

[curious]

No news on the ownership front. Current Bullets players to go on the FA list.

[Cussy]

Saw Eddie Groves outside a cafe near my work this morning. That is all. Carry on.
He's next weeks contestant on The Chopping Block.

[fraggs]

I'm just guessing on this but ... is it going to be easier to sell a club that has fewer signed players and a coach? For both the Kings and the Bullets, I'd imagine a stumbling block for any buyer is that anyone contracted to the club could be on an unsustainable contract. If you wait until every player is on the free agents list then all the existing agreements (maybe also including the coach) are out the window. Indeed, you will then probably lose most of those players but at least the new owners get to start from scratch and decide for themselves how much they want to spend and how willing they are to gamble on poor performance from running on a tight budget. Sure, any new owner would like to have a winning team, but first and foremost he must have a franchise that is sustainable and won't leak massive amounts of money. I just think that perhaps as fans we put much more importance on having a winning team where as the owner might not see it as immediately as important.

[hendrix]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... tion=sport (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/28/2201454.htm?section=sport)

[fraggs]

Sounds strange to me, because the article says that the players are contracted for next season, but surely no one is actually going to stop players coming to arrangements with other clubs. I would have thought that if the Bullets can't assure the NBL that they will be in the competition by the time the free agent list comes out, the whole team would be put on the list. Most players would of course be free to negotiate with EU teams but otherwise I can't see it being at all fair on the players themselves to force them to wait until a decision on the team is made one way or the other.

[isaac]

Does anyone think that those involved (players, coaches, administration) would be better served if they strictly avoided the "It would be terrible if the club folded" speculation?

Often, the media seems to jump on it at every opportunity and given that we've had it recently with West Sydney, Singapore, Sydney, Wollongong, Brisbane and even (to a lesser extent) Adelaide, it really does nothing to convince fringe (or further) fans that the NBL is around and actually worth following.

Of course it'd suck if Franchise X went under. No one wants to see that happen. It's in the interests of all involved, however, to avoid providing quotes along those lines. Give them "We had a great season. I thought if Sam had been healthy, we would've made the Grand Final. I'd really like to be here in Brisbane next year for our 08/09 campaign - there's a great opportunity for someone to take charge after Groves' efforts recently."

A directive from the NBL (not like that of Johnston's to the Kings!) encouraging players and coaches to try and steer conversation in a positive direction could be worthwhile. Howster?

[King of Kings]

Sounds strange to me, because the article says that the players are contracted for next season, but surely no one is actually going to stop players coming to arrangements with other clubs. I would have thought that if the Bullets can't assure the NBL that they will be in the competition by the time the free agent list comes out, the whole team would be put on the list. Most players would of course be free to negotiate with EU teams but otherwise I can't see it being at all fair on the players themselves to force them to wait until a decision on the team is made one way or the other.

As of Monday, with no club (The Bullets) owner, the players will have an out clause to enter free agency.

[Earnie Shavers]

The Bullets do have an owner. Has there been a deal done with the contracted players in regards to some sort of deadline? The Bullets aren't technically broke/in administration or anything. Someone here said everyone has been paid up until June, or guaranteed at least that will happen. The Bullets have not been sold, therefore they're still owned by Groves, and I would have thought all contracted players are still under contract to the Eddie Groves owned Bullets business and there's nothing that has happened thus far that automatically makes those contracts null and void. Without all the extra media hype surrounding Groves' downfall, this may even seem like a regular off season sale - which happens all the time and does not decimate teams.

I know the situation doesn't look good and has a lot of urgency to it, but would the entire lineup *really* be automatically transferring to free agency tonight - and I mean in the eyes of the official NBL list, not just in their own "Take care of myself/Plan B" interests - just because an owner hasn't yet found a buyer? Or I have just missed something and there is/was some sort of deadline deal?

And Isaac that is absolutely true. Although, pretty obvious that it's CJ making sure his comments are read the right way by Bullets fans, ie making sure he's being very diplomatic/sensitive while really saying "Kings? Wildcats? Tigers? Anyone need a point guard?"

[isaac]

If you want to get offers from other clubs, send your agent to them. No need to do it via the media. I think the "Would hate to see them gone from the league" line is just an easy, natural response to the questions that arise and at least getting players thinking about that could only help.

Are players scared of saying "The Bullets aren't going anywhere!" just in case they are? Say it anyway and if they fall, big deal - five fans will laugh on a forum somewhere and that's it.

There are some changes in ownership but we did have three crowds over 7k this year. Kings-Tigers and Kings-Wildcats were excellent. Had some great highlights during the year. Crowds in Adelaide, Perth, FNQ are solid. It's not quite "everything's falling apart" doom and gloom. There are lots of things to talk about.

Knicks are woeful. Sonics are moving. But those issues just get washed away by highlights and other NBA stories.

[King of Kings]

If you want to get offers from other clubs, send your agent to them. No need to do it via the media. I think the "Would hate to see them gone from the league" line is just an easy, natural response to the questions that arise and at least getting players thinking about that could only help.

Are players scared of saying "The Bullets aren't going anywhere!" just in case they are? Say it anyway and if they fall, big deal - five fans will laugh on a forum somewhere and that's it.

There are some changes in ownership but we did have three crowds over 7k this year. Kings-Tigers and Kings-Wildcats were excellent. Had some great highlights during the year. Crowds in Adelaide, Perth, FNQ are solid. It's not quite "everything's falling apart" doom and gloom. There are lots of things to talk about.

Knicks are woeful. Sonics are moving. But those issues just get washed away by highlights and other NBA stories.
He and his agent have been very busy in contacting clubs. He doesn't need to send messages via the media to get a gig.

[fraggs]

As much as players could perhaps keep their comments in check, I just can't see it utlimately having an effect. If CJ refused to comment then maybe they'd go to McKinnon, maybe Ere. You could ASK an entire organisation to refrain from gossip in general but the real culprit is the media and they are only ever interested in getting a good story. I'm just pleased that we don't have a press like England where if there is no story or genuine quote they'll just make it up according to what they think will sell the most papers.

It's not the player's job to keep their comments in check. If a team owner wants to put forward a positive and progressive view of his team then he'll have to do so with pro-active positive and progressive press of his own. Sitting back and just trying to keep a lid on the whole thing is probably the most useless tactic of all.

[hendrix]

As much as players could perhaps keep their comments in check, I just can't see it utlimately having an effect. If CJ refused to comment then maybe they'd go to McKinnon, maybe Ere. You could ASK an entire organisation to refrain from gossip in general but the real culprit is the media and they are only ever interested in getting a good story. I'm just pleased that we don't have a press like England where if there is no story or genuine quote they'll just make it up according to what they think will sell the most papers.

It's not the player's job to keep their comments in check. If a team owner wants to put forward a positive and progressive view of his team then he'll have to do so with pro-active positive and progressive press of his own. Sitting back and just trying to keep a lid on the whole thing is probably the most useless tactic of all.

you are taking the whole thing out of context. All CJ is saying is, sure guys have thought about 'other options', but they want to stay in Brisbane.

hence him saying

"The bottom line is, is the Brisbane Bullets going to survive or not and personally I think it will."

Hes not using the media to chase a job, he wants to stay in Brisbane!!

as for saying he'd be sad, well, that's the truth. he's been around the club when his dad played and he loves Brisbane. It's the city he wants to live in and the club he wants to play for. Sometimes people just analyse stories and comments too much.. just read it for it is!!

[havrilla the gorilla]

Does anyone think that those involved (players, coaches, administration) would be better served if they strictly avoided the "It would be terrible if the club folded" speculation?

Often, the media seems to jump on it at every opportunity and given that we've had it recently with West Sydney, Singapore, Sydney, Wollongong, Brisbane and even (to a lesser extent) Adelaide, it really does nothing to convince fringe (or further) fans that the NBL is around and actually worth following.

Of course it'd suck if Franchise X went under. No one wants to see that happen. It's in the interests of all involved, however, to avoid providing quotes along those lines. Give them "We had a great season. I thought if Sam had been healthy, we would've made the Grand Final. I'd really like to be here in Brisbane next year for our 08/09 campaign - there's a great opportunity for someone to take charge after Groves' efforts recently."

A directive from the NBL (not like that of Johnston's to the Kings!) encouraging players and coaches to try and steer conversation in a positive direction could be worthwhile. Howster?


I felt it was better to actually admit you care and want to stay in Brisbane rather than wanting to play elsewhere. What else do you expect? We all know thew situation unless you are extremely ignorant. Not talking about it by burying your head in the sand won't stop people being attracted to Basketball. Look what tackling the situation has done for the Kangaroos in the AFL - probably are more postive effect than a negative one.

Even South Sydney made it back to the NRL. I'm sure if people didn't tackle that head on they would not be in existance.

[isaac]

A different example might better explain my point. The other week, Chuck Harmison was at some sort of conference and, in a speech, likened the NBL's situation to a train crash.

The media pounced on such a gem of a quote and this was the result:

- The West: NBL on life support
- The Age: Basketball not travelling well, chief admits
- Straits Times: (can't get story title, but they had a piece)
- The Daily: What next for the NBL?
- SMH: (in Quotes of the Week)
- The Roar: (in Quotes of the Week, "on the health of his own competition")
- Highway of Life (blog): Traditional media does it again?

And I'm sure there were more.

[Earnie Shavers]

The Harmison thing was stupid, unbelievably so considering the audience, multiplied by a thousand considering the timing. I also totally agree with Isaac's overall point. I'd still suggest though that the CJ quotes are just him playing a diplomatic line about his future.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Moving on from Isaac's post, does anybody have any concrete confirmation that all of the Bullets roster is on the free agents list? They are supposedly all contracted(except one or two)

As I said earlier, Joey(who had one foot out the door) mentioned the club was safe until June(because the bills have been paid) therefore the club will exist until then at least. Is there any way a Bullet(eg Adam Gibson) can agree to terms with (hypethetically) the Blaze pending the Bullets situation. So if Brisbane fold he is a Blaze, if all is well with the Bullets he remains one.

I remember when CJ agreed to terms it was dependant on whether another gig worked out before he became a Bullet. So it should be feasable. But back to the Gibson example - if the Blaze "sign" him and he ends up not going, they have mucked around and perhaps lost out on another signing which makes me also think that once you are a free agent you are fair game. But if another NBL club offers one of these players a good wage and court time(not to mention an actual existing club) would a Brisbane player take that just in case the club folds and is left with limited options?

I was also thinking that if Brisbane have as of now lost their 2007/08 roster it would have made foxsports or the customary quarter page of the courier-mail sports section, who have done a reasonable job covering the minimal developments.

So is going to another team plan A and hoping the Bullets survive plan B, or are they all Bullets until the club folds, then looking to go elsewhere?

I don't want the Bullets of 08/09(if they make it there) to have no roster left, then having to recruit from scratch. :cry:

[Julian]

CJ is being interviewed by the Wildcats today.

[whupass]

CJ is being interviewed by the Wildcats today.

There are two Bullet free agents; Dusty and JB. The rest are still under contract as others have pointed out.

If the "Bullets" (ie Groves and JVG) decide they want to release anyone from their contract thats quite legal. One would think that would be the senario playing out with CJ.

I am sure anyone who wants to leave would be released by Eddy at this point.

But hey what do I know??

[King of Kings]

Moving on from Isaac's post, does anybody have any concrete confirmation that all of the Bullets roster is on the free agents list? They are supposedly all contracted(except one or two)

As I said earlier, Joey(who had one foot out the door) mentioned the club was safe until June because the bills have been paid) therefore the club will exist until then at least. Is there any way a Bullet(eg Adam Gibson) can agree to terms with (hypethetically) the Blaze pending the Bullets situation. So if Brisbane fold he is a Blaze, if all is well with the Bullets he remains one.

I remember when CJ agreed to terms it was dependant on whether another gig worked out before he became a Bullet. So it should be feasable. But back to the Gibson example - if the Blaze "sign" him and he ends up not going, they have mucked around and perhaps lost out on another signing which makes me also think that once you are a free agent you are fair game. But if another NBL club offers one of these players a good wage and court time(not to mention an actual existing club) would a Brisbane player take that just in case the club folds and is left with limited options?

I was also thinking that if Brisbane have as of now lost their 2007/08 roster it would have made foxsports or the customary quarter page of the courier-mail sports section, who have done a reasonable job covering the minimal developments.

So is going to another team plan A and hoping the Bullets survive plan B, or are they all Bullets until the club folds, then looking to go elsewhere?

I don't want the Bullets of 08/09(if they make it there) to have no roster left, then having to recruit from scratch. :cry:

The season is not played in June. Can't guarantee to be in the next season which starts in Sept. The league wont stop the players trying to get a playing contract with a team that is assured to be in the season. I am sure there are clauses in player contracts which will allow them to leave as the Bullets would be breech in relation to creditors etc.(

[havrilla the gorilla]

I am well aware the season doesn't start in June, I am just pointing out that the club is at least viable up until that point as they are not in debt to the league or to players. That being the case means they havn't breached anything or anyone. This buys valuable time to perhaps find a new owner. It is one thing putting your hand up to buy at Eddys price, it is another when the cost continues to drop and a potential buyer knows there will be no Bullets unless they put up the cash and at a bargain price. Eddy himself says he doesn't want the club to fold.


It is not a matter of the league agreeing to a release, it is the club at the players request. I guess I was just asking if a player opts for free agency as a backup, is that the point of no return.

[havrilla the gorilla]

But hey what do I know??

Whatever it is, let's have it. Sharing is caring in this difficult times champ. PM is fine if you're worried about attracting the wrong element. :wink:

[curious]

How can a club that has an owner that has the club for sale keep players under contract.. The current owner is more than likely to be unable to pay the existing contracts.
The current Bullets roster AFAIK will all be FA on Monday.

[havrilla the gorilla]

How can a club that has an owner that has the club for sale keep players under contract.. The current owner is more than likely to be unable to pay the existing contracts.
The current Bullets roster AFAIK will all be FA on Monday.


It has been documented that any outstanding payments to anybody concerned has been handled by Groves. The media reported that the club is viable until June, and if no new owner has stepped in the club will go into voluntary administration and fold. I assume it is like selling a house - until it settles and you hand over the keys it is yours.

And like any asset such as a sporting organisation there are staff involved(players) who are contracted to the club(not the owner) and need to be released by that club to leave, as they signed contracts saying they would not leave until the contract had run its course as agreed. Obviously their hand has now been forced.

The club is still functioning at the minute, the head office is not deserted with tumble weeds outside it. Somebody has to oversee any player who is looking to be released out of a contract.

[curious]

AFAIK all Bullets players next week will be FA.
The dilemma the Bullets have is that they are on the market and have no team.
I am sure that Sam expects his $$$$$$'s and CJ too , etc etc. But the reality is that the current ownership can't guarantee accorrding to yourself anything past June.
That would I assume make all current contracts void.
Let's see who is on the FA list Monday.

[havrilla the gorilla]

AFAIK all Bullets players next week will be FA.
The dilemma the Bullets have is that they are on the market and have no team.
I am sure that Sam expects his $$$$$$'s and CJ too , etc etc. But the reality is that the current ownership can't guarantee accorrding to yourself anything past June.
That would I assume make all current contracts void.
Let's see who is on the FA list Monday.



I have no doubt they will be on the free agents list, but signing with another club is a different matter. Take Mackinnon - that knee may never come good, and some clubs might argue he is not worth the risk(dollars, age and points)

Free Agent doesn't equal another club or leaving Brisbane. Look what being a free agent did for Derek Rucker- all maxed out on 10 points and nowhere to go. Half the Bullets are 10 point players, so if the league are serious with what we have been taking the piss out of on the other thread it will be hard to fit some of these guys under the points without heads rolling elsewhere. There is also the sordid topic of coin.

I will admit as a Bullets fan it does not look good, and if we have a club at all it is highly doubtful it will look anything like this year's team. But hey "it ain't over til it's over" 8)

[curious]

Its possible no one will take a risk with Sam for sure.
The Bullets overpaid many of them too and now these same players will have an expectation that they will be able to command those stupid amounts Eddie paid.
Some of them for that reason may have to eat humble pie and drop their expectations if they want to play in the NBL at all.
The Bullets are for sale and they don't have a team with a few nibbles of interest only.
No press about it and no fan based push to keep them in the NBL like occurred with the Hawks and the Kings.

[havrilla the gorilla]

The Bullets are for sale and they don't have a team with a few nibbles of interest only.
No press about it and no fan based push to keep them in the NBL like occurred with the Hawks and the Kings.


Like Rocky Balboa and I both said..."it ain't over til it's over" :wink:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23449747-23769,00.html)

[curious]

Yes indeed a definite maybe.

[boz_novocastrian]

As much as players could perhaps keep their comments in check, I just can't see it utlimately having an effect. If CJ refused to comment then maybe they'd go to McKinnon, maybe Ere. You could ASK an entire organisation to refrain from gossip in general but the real culprit is the media and they are only ever interested in getting a good story. I'm just pleased that we don't have a press like England where if there is no story or genuine quote they'll just make it up according to what they think will sell the most papers.

It's not the player's job to keep their comments in check. If a team owner wants to put forward a positive and progressive view of his team then he'll have to do so with pro-active positive and progressive press of his own. Sitting back and just trying to keep a lid on the whole thing is probably the most useless tactic of all.

the news group of papers is the australian answer to the tabloids at times

[boz_novocastrian]

Isaac, with the impending sale of the bullets, does this hold implications that the home arena of the 36ers is up for sale again

[King of Kings]

AFAIK all Bullets players next week will be FA.
The dilemma the Bullets have is that they are on the market and have no team.
I am sure that Sam expects his $$$$$$'s and CJ too , etc etc. But the reality is that the current ownership can't guarantee accorrding to yourself anything past June.
That would I assume make all current contracts void.
Let's see who is on the FA list Monday.



I have no doubt they will be on the free agents list, but signing with another club is a different matter. Take Mackinnon - that knee may never come good, and some clubs might argue he is not worth the risk(dollars, age and points)

Free Agent doesn't equal another club or leaving Brisbane. Look what being a free agent did for Derek Rucker- all maxed out on 10 points and nowhere to go. Half the Bullets are 10 point players, so if the league are serious with what we have been taking the piss out of on the other thread it will be hard to fit some of these guys under the points without heads rolling elsewhere. There is also the sordid topic of coin.

I will admit as a Bullets fan it does not look good, and if we have a club at all it is highly doubtful it will look anything like this year's team. But hey "it ain't over til it's over" 8)

You are kidding yourself if you think any of the Bullets players who recieve an offer from a team that is going to be around next doesn't take it and aloud to take it by the NBL as they will be on the FRL. Not every player will get offers and certainly not the sort of $ Eddy was paying which will be their biggest issue, but they will almost all be gone in the first week of free agency. Their managers wouldn't be doing a good job if not.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I don't recall ever saying the NBL wouldn't allow it...

There are other factors for people to consider before switching job locations(let's face it, that is what it is to them) such as family, business interests and obviously security. Money isn't everything, and you have made it clear with your extensive inside knowledge of overpayments from Groves, that it is now an even playing field. So they will not be getting as much if they stay in Brisbane, but how much more can a rival club offer?
There is also the matter of the points cap.

So the main issue is time. At what point does a team finalise its roster for 08/09? Is being a free agent the equivalent of being a tv set at the boxing day sales? Wright has said more will be revealed in the next 1-2 weeks about the future of the club, and if there is any chance of the buyers coming through I'm sure they will press for time to save the roster.

If you were a rival club, wouldn't you be happy to wait for an Ere, or Bruton or Rychart to get back to you in a couple of weeks before signing them? I'm sure no opposition club will say "no you can't wait for the Bullets situation to be resolved, sign now or piss off" I think the "chance" of having some of these players is enough.

My tip: If Brisbane can get sorted in the next 7-10 days most of the players will stay. Call me the eternal optimist if you wish.

[curious]

You are the eternal optomist.

[King of Kings]

I don't recall ever saying the NBL wouldn't allow it...

There are other factors for people to consider before switching job locations(let's face it, that is what it is to them) such as family, business interests and obviously security. Money isn't everything, and you have made it clear with your extensive inside knowledge of overpayments from Groves, that it is now an even playing field. So they will not be getting as much if they stay in Brisbane, but how much more can a rival club offer?
There is also the matter of the points cap.

So the main issue is time. At what point does a team finalise its roster for 08/09? Is being a free agent the equivalent of being a tv set at the boxing day sales? Wright has said more will be revealed in the next 1-2 weeks about the future of the club, and if there is any chance of the buyers coming through I'm sure they will press for time to save the roster.

If you were a rival club, wouldn't you be happy to wait for an Ere, or Bruton or Rychart to get back to you in a couple of weeks before signing them? I'm sure no opposition club will say "no you can't wait for the Bullets situation to be resolved, sign now or piss off" I think the "chance" of having some of these players is enough.

My tip: If Brisbane can get sorted in the next 7-10 days most of the players will stay. Call me the eternal optimist if you wish.

I guess we will have to wait for early next week to see what players do in turning down offers. You wont have to wait a week or two if that is what Joey said. My bet is he will be gone as quick as the players if he get an offer from say, the Wildcats.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I guess we will have to wait for early next week to see what players do in turning down offers. You wont have to wait a week or two if that is what Joey said. My bet is he will be gone as quick as the players if he get an offer from say, the Wildcats.


If Joey has already been headhunted for a coaching gig elsewhere or looking hard for one, I don't see why he would be working hard to find a buyer/new owner for the Bullets. He is actually instigating and participating in the meetings. I think that speaks volumes on how much he wants to stay, considering he was about to leave town a couple of weeks ago when the powers that be asked him to take a pay cut. I'm sure if his efforts prove to be in vain he will look to another team in the NBL or in the States, but plan A is coaching the Bullets.

[curious]

Indeed.
Makes you wonder if Perth or any other Club have had any serious discussions at all with him.

[JBO]

Why does everyone think that all the players are going to be on the free agent list, they all have contracts and the team still have an owner, it does not matter what is going on with his personal life.

Is Sydney not in exactly the same position, they have an owner that is trying to sell the team and is having problems with his company. They have also reported to be losing money just as the bullets.

[curious]

It matters that the current owner has the team for sale and essentailly no one ATM is interested in buying them.
How can an owner who has financial difficulties of his own keep players under their current contracts when the club may fold and they won't get paid?
They will be on the FA list.

[whupass]

It matters that the current owner has the team for sale and essentailly no one ATM is interested in buying them.
How can an owner who has financial difficulties of his own keep players under their current contracts when the club may fold and they won't get paid?
They will be on the FA list.

He knows nothing about this situation. There are interested parties. Curious has no idea, hes a bitter little twisted man who is putting the boot in when someone is down.

Go back and defend your boy on the other thread.

[havrilla the gorilla]

It matters that the current owner has the team for sale and essentailly no one ATM is interested in buying them.
How can an owner who has financial difficulties of his own keep players under their current contracts when the club may fold and they won't get paid?
They will be on the FA list.

I have already left this link, but for the ignorant here it is again:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23449747-23769,00.html)

If you can't decipher the meaning of the article it says talks are being held with potential owners. I am sure they would take exception at being labelled "no one". So essentially you don't know shit.

As I said before all players have been paid what they are owed so not getting paid will not be an issue from the 07/08 hierachy. The club is not heavily in the red, it just doesn't have an owner. The license has not been returned to the NBL, the current owner is looking to sell. And I'm sure if the current financial situation of Eddy Groves was transferred to you, never working again might be on the cards. Do you think the guy doesn't have his money tied up elsewhere other than ABC?

Get the lowdown before you make yourself look uninformed.... :roll:

[fan since the old snakepit]

How can a club that has an owner that has the club for sale keep players under contract.. The current owner is more than likely to be unable to pay the existing contracts.
The current Bullets roster AFAIK will all be FA on Monday.

Not only will the new owner not be to pay the existing contracts (the ones that were sent to the NBL anyway), what happens to the obvious under the table extra cash that Groves must have forked out to get the likes of Sam, Ebi, CJ. Hope they havn't got it all yet and hope Groves cant afford to pay them.
Lets see if they stay at the Bullets for the NBL max if the new owners will undertake a responsible financial policy and stick within the rules. Oh thats right CJ and Sam are there because they love the Bullets (and Santa and the Tooth Fairy plus the Easter Bunny)

[havrilla the gorilla]

How can a club that has an owner that has the club for sale keep players under contract.. The current owner is more than likely to be unable to pay the existing contracts.
The current Bullets roster AFAIK will all be FA on Monday.

Not only will the new owner not be to pay the existing contracts (the ones that were sent to the NBL anyway), what happens to the obvious under the table extra cash that Groves must have forked out to get the likes of Sam, Ebi, CJ. Hope they havn't got it all yet and hope Groves cant afford to pay them.
Lets see if they stay at the Bullets for the NBL max if the new owners will undertake a responsible financial policy and stick within the rules. Oh thats right CJ and Sam are there because they love the Bullets (and Santa and the Tooth Fairy plus the Easter Bunny)


I am really starting to lose patience with all of these characters coming out of the woodwork, claiming to have all of this exclusive knowledge.

Not only will the new owner not be to pay the existing contracts (the ones that were sent to the NBL anyway)

How the F do you what the contracts are, and who will be paid by the new owners. For all you know the new owners may be putting together a rescue package to keep as many of the players there as possible. Have you ever heard of a pay cut? It would be naive to think the whole squad will be retained, but you seem to be 100% positive. So unless you are overseeing the Bullets business plan for next season lets just wait.

Oh thats right CJ and Sam are there because they love the Bullets (and Santa and the Tooth Fairy plus the Easter Bunny)

Once again, I forgot you speak to CJ and/or Sam on a regular basis. Both have made it abundantly clear they don't want the Bullets to go under, and Bullets aside maybe they don't want to leave Brisbane for family, business and lifestyle reasons. I'm sure Sam only had his next team on his mind when he was helping the club attract new ownership by speaking to potential buyers personally. Maybe they love playing under Joey. "Loving the Bullets" as you say means more than wearing blue and white, its the whole package. I am sure potential Hawks recruiters don't mention the city and the lifestyle when trying to court potential recruits, but you need to understand that in Queensland there are other factors besides the job description that make it appealing.

Until you can directly quote the players, don't make stupid assumptions describing how they feel about the club to strengthen an argument. It makes you look very foolish. :x

[Stanley]

I am sure potential Hawks recruiters don't mention the city and the lifestyle when trying to court potential recruits, but you need to understand that in Queensland there are other factors besides the job description that make it appealing.

I think you'll find lifestyle is what does attract players to Hawks.

and thats quoting numerous players

[havrilla the gorilla]

I am sure potential Hawks recruiters don't mention the city and the lifestyle when trying to court potential recruits, but you need to understand that in Queensland there are other factors besides the job description that make it appealing.

I think you'll find lifestyle is what does attract players to Hawks.

and thats quoting numerous players


The idea wasn't to put down Wollongong, it is a nice place. But in comparison I think it is fair to say that Queensland has more to offer and is the most sort after destination for people relocating interstate, according to statistics and population growth. My point was that the city you live in(or relocating to) plays a part in any decision to sign or re-sign. I wish more people would emmigrate to Wollongong - I would get to work quicker.

[Skindog the Hawk]

The idea wasn't to put down Wollongong, it is a nice place. But in comparison I think it is fair to say that Queensland has more to offer and is the most sort after destination for people relocating interstate, according to statistics and population growth. My point was that the city you live in(or relocating to) plays a part in any decision to sign or re-sign. I wish more people would emmigrate to Wollongong - I would get to work quicker.

Hmmm...live in what is becoming one of the most over-crowded and under-serviced areas of the country (per capita) in South East Queensland, or come to a city where you're recognised, you can live 5-10 minutes from everywhere, 75 minutes from the largest city in the country (good if you'd like to pursue a post-basketball career as well) with a great climate and great surf??

Make no mistake, Brisvegas is a great place, but there's quite a lot that the Hawks have going for them too. ;) 8)

SD.

[lawsy82]

I live in brisbane, and i know if i was pro athlete i would be out of here in a second...

Brisbane has

1 The worst roads in Australia
2 The worst public transport in Australia
3 The worst health system in australia
4 We have no bloody water for gods sake
5 IS becoming the most expensive/overpriced city in australia
6 Their basketball team can barely get 3k to a home game

I know where id be playing if i had choice between hawks and bullets

[meg]

Queensland has more to offer and is the most sort after destination for people relocating interstate, according to statistics and population growth.

Hang on, I'll just get my white shoes and my bowling bag, and I'll be right with you... :wink:

[havrilla the gorilla]

I live in brisbane, and i know if i was pro athlete i would be out of here in a second...

Brisbane has

1 The worst roads in Australia
2 The worst public transport in Australia
3 The worst health system in australia
4 We have no bloody water for gods sake
5 IS becoming the most expensive/overpriced city in australia
6 Their basketball team can barely get 3k to a home game

I know where id be playing if i had choice between hawks and bullets


Just because you are not a pro athlete doesn't mean you can't move interstate. If it is so bad for you why don't you head to somewhere that has a lower cost of living and better health care......like Sydney. :?

[havrilla the gorilla]

Queensland has more to offer and is the most sort after destination for people relocating interstate, according to statistics and population growth.

Hang on, I'll just get my white shoes and my bowling bag, and I'll be right with you... :wink:


Hold that thought for the Pigs first home game all the way out at Penrith. Maybe you can go via...might be faster.

[fahootie]

I live in brisbane,
Brisbane has

1 The worst roads in Australia
2 The worst public transport in Australia
3 The worst health system in australia
4 We have no bloody water for gods sake
5 IS becoming the most expensive/overpriced city in australia
6 Their basketball team can barely get 3k to a home game


Well if it is soooo bad, do us all a favour an p!ss off.

Or at least ask your Mum & Dad to move somewhere else.

[lawsy82]

I live in brisbane,
Brisbane has

1 The worst roads in Australia
2 The worst public transport in Australia
3 The worst health system in australia
4 We have no bloody water for gods sake
5 IS becoming the most expensive/overpriced city in australia
6 Their basketball team can barely get 3k to a home game


Well if it is soooo bad, do us all a favour an p!ss off.

Or at least ask your Mum & Dad to move somewhere else.

LOL at the ask mum and dad comment... If only i still live there, than i would be a millionaire

[havrilla the gorilla]

I live in brisbane,
Brisbane has

1 The worst roads in Australia
2 The worst public transport in Australia
3 The worst health system in australia
4 We have no bloody water for gods sake
5 IS becoming the most expensive/overpriced city in australia
6 Their basketball team can barely get 3k to a home game


Well if it is soooo bad, do us all a favour an p!ss off.

Or at least ask your Mum & Dad to move somewhere else.

LOL at the ask mum and dad comment... If only i still live there, than i would be a millionaire

Yeah but it wouldn't go very far given the health system, the drought, high taxes to fix the roads and the public transport crisis. It is becoming soooo expensive. Nah you better go and leave town I think.....

[Air Sess]

Its funny how the greatest import to ever play in this league, Leroy Jay Loggins, found Brisbane a good enough place to live and play for (only 19 seasons for the Bullets, 21 in total). So good in fact he Naturalised and continues to live in Brisbane. The same for the great big man Andre Moore who moved back here to live after his playing days in Cairns were over. Brisbane is a great place to live and the Bullets are one of the best sporting teams the state has ever had. There was a time when Leroy was the most famous athlete in Qld alongside Wally Lewis. Imports would love living in this city. Basketball is not as big as it once was here but its still a great lifestyle and the Bullets are a great team, always will be. So many of the leagues all time greats have played for Brisbane, Loggins, Brutons, Rucker, Woodberry, Moore, Sengstock etc plus all the current players. They will live on and have another strong team next season.

[Catsfan]

What's Leroy up to these days?

Would he make a good coach?

[Hum]

I firmly believe the Bullets are in good shape and we should have a new owner/s in the next few weeks. However if Joey should move on, I would love to see Leroy as our new coach. It would ensure most members resigning and could actually lift crowd numbers.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I believe it would be great to have Leroy involved with the club again at some level, however I think as head coach might be premature. I know he has a lot on the go and doesn't make it to as many games as he would like.

I do sense their is still a little bad blood after his sacking, so he probably chooses to keep the club at arms length. It would only boost crowd numbers and memberships if the club actually promotes the appointment of Leroy which to be honest is not the forte of the Bullets. :(

[Air Sess]

It would be great for basketball in general if Leroy was more involved. I am sure there is still bad blood after he was sacked. I know I am still bitter about his career ending that way. The man deserved to retire on his own terms and the club should never be forgiven for that. In saying that, it would be great if he was made more a part of the club he helped build. I am not sure if coaching is what he would want. Its always great when he goes to the games though. The man is a legend. Andre Moore is pretty much at every game and thats good to see. The fans like to see the great players back. It gives you a chance to see them again at least. Those guys are the history of the team and can offer so much. Leroy was the smartest player I ever saw on the court but if he was to go into coaching at that level I think he would start as an assistant. Still watching him on the sidelines would just make you want to see him play again. I am sure he could still give a good 20mins a game at 50 years old too.

[Catsfan]

I might be a bit biased but I've always believed that the two greatest imports the NBL has ever seen are James Crawford and Leroy Loggins.

DMac playing till 43 and still contributing so well puts him in there as well.

I have a black and white photo (from The West Australian newspaper) of James Crawford and Leroy Loggins matching up in the 1987 final, signed by both players. I can't imagine this league ever seeing two players of that talent again.

It would be interesting to see how Carlos Powell would have gone against Crawford. For some reason, I could picture Powell athletically moving towards the basket, only to have his shot swiped out of court by an even more athletic Crawford though!

[SlowCoach]

LOL its pretty hard to swat if it was dunked in your face like the Carlos Powell power dunk. No disrespect to Crawford. Just a fact. :P

[fahootie]

It matters that the current owner has the team for sale and essentailly no one ATM is interested in buying them.
How can an owner who has financial difficulties of his own keep players under their current contracts when the club may fold and they won't get paid?
They will be on the FA list.

They will?

bwahahahahahahaha

[hendrix]

What's Leroy up to these days?

Would he make a good coach?

I know he does a bit with one of the state league associations. He's great with the kids

[hendrix]

copied this from free agents list

Brisbane Bullets
Dusty Rychart
Justin Brown
Craig Bradshaw
Christopher Goulding
Steven Broom
Rhys Martin

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=74695 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=74695)


i thought they'd re-signed Dusty?

[Air Sess]

You can't compare Carlos Powell to JC. Crawford is an all time great and if you were lucky to watch him play back in 1987 as I was you would know how great he was. He was pretty much unstoppable. Great year for imports that year. Both Leroy and Mark Davis even said they were suprised that JC was not MVP. Powell is a good player but JC in his Prime was amazing to watch.

I know Goorjan recently quote that Dmac was the best import to ever play here. He has a short memory. Leroy has it all over Dmac. Dmac has been a great player but Leroy was so much better and had no weakness in his game. Dmac has limited shooting ability outside the key. Lee was also a much better defender. Its hard to compare great players in eras but Lee is so far ahead of the next import here its not funny.

[Cussy]

I think Goorj was just showing as much respect to D-Mac as possible, considering the circumstances. I doubt he would consider to be the best import of all time - he's not even the best import PG of all time.

[Lemon Custard]

I know Goorjan recently quote that Dmac was the best import to ever play here. He has a short memory.

If you consider the context in which he said it, it's not so ridiculous.

[Air Sess]

Yeah I know its not ridiculous and Dmac had a great impact on the league. Probably the best ever passer in the league but you would have to take Grace as the best point guard ever for his leadership/winning and all round game. Dmac is a great player and at 43 still had it. Those types of players can just flat out play forever. I know Leroy still was an awesome player at 43, except he had a lot more responsibility than Dmac did. I mean Dmac was a role player with the Tigers, a great one at that but Lee was still the Bullets second option and overall close to there best player at 43.

[Cram]

I think Goorj was just showing as much respect to D-Mac as possible, considering the circumstances. I doubt he would consider to be the best import of all time - he's not even the best import PG of all time.

Yeah its hard to go past Ricky as the best PG to ever come here. His figures are amazing. Dmac not getting here till he was 30 could obviously be seen as a factor, but at the end of the day, they're 2 outstanding players, and despite both being PG's, both very different players.

An argument could be made for Dmac being better, but I'm not sure it matters, as it was really just Goorj's opinion, which obviously having coached Mac and not Ricky may not be 100% objective, but - as I said, I'm not sure it matters. As you said, he was just showing him a lot of respect (which as a Tigers fan at Ricky's last game, I tried to do in 2005).

[Air Sess]

Yes, I agree, they have all been great longtime players in the league. I was never a big fan of Dmac but I know seeing him play his last few games against the Bullets this year you appreciate what they have done for the game here. Just like when Copes played his last game up here. I was talking with Andre Moore the last time Dmac played in Bris and even he was amazed at how well Dmac was playing. Its rare that you see imports stay a long time in this league and the ones that do are legends of them game here.

[Cussy]

I think Goorj was just showing as much respect to D-Mac as possible, considering the circumstances. I doubt he would consider to be the best import of all time - he's not even the best import PG of all time.

Yeah its hard to go past Ricky as the best PG to ever come here. His figures are amazing. Dmac not getting here till he was 30 could obviously be seen as a factor, but at the end of the day, they're 2 outstanding players, and despite both being PG's, both very different players.

An argument could be made for Dmac being better, but I'm not sure it matters, as it was really just Goorj's opinion, which obviously having coached Mac and not Ricky may not be 100% objective, but - as I said, I'm not sure it matters. As you said, he was just showing him a lot of respect (which as a Tigers fan at Ricky's last game, I tried to do in 2005).
Agreed. His comments were designed to promote discussion, or be controversial - just to show respect, and there is no problem with that.

[whupass]

It matters that the current owner has the team for sale and essentailly no one ATM is interested in buying them.
How can an owner who has financial difficulties of his own keep players under their current contracts when the club may fold and they won't get paid?
They will be on the FA list.

"Try and get you statistical facts right before gobbing off.
You really don''t know much at all it seems."

People in Glass house..you have no idea!!

You better hope that your Kings find someone to buy them! Your team is in the same predictament as Brisbane, there are NO guarentees that a buyer will be found. Yet have any of us been openly lying and shit stirring, trying to put the boot into your team?? No we have not, your just a sick, twisted, bitter, little old man!!

[curious]

I passed on what I was told by someone very close to the Bullets organisation. Simple as that.
Lets see what happens anyway. Maybe once no one wants to buy the club then it will happen just a little bit later than first thought.
Maybe the Bullets decided to keep the stud players to have something to offer to a potential buyer rather than a Licence and no team.
Of course we have a commitment to play clause that already signed, so we know they will play next season don't we. ;)
Interesting that in the new NBL rules it covers teams that may "...default their license, have their license revoked by the NBL and or go into liquidation" is now included.
But what would I know.

[fahootie]

But what would I know.

good point. Not as much as you think you do.

[Hum]

Alot of mixed messages being sent out through the media at the moment. The paper says that CJ and Joey will be heading over to Perth after meetings at the weekend, yet Joey is still trying to save the team. Which one is it? I hate all this mucking around, I just want decisions made so we can look forward and rebuild, with or without our current team/coach.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Alot of mixed messages being sent out through the media at the moment. The paper says that CJ and Joey will be heading over to Perth after meetings at the weekend, yet Joey is still trying to save the team. Which one is it? I hate all this mucking around, I just want decisions made so we can look forward and rebuild, with or without our current team/coach.


Yeah I agree. The waiting and the not knowing make it hard. I think it all comes down to the sale - if we find a new owner then not much will change from last year, with the exception of perhaps Dusty, Bradshaw and Brown who were dubious at best to return before all the ownership dramas anyway. With the new structure I fear CJ and Ebi may be lost, but time will tell.

I honestly think Perth is plan B for Joey and CJ, who have no intention of being left out in the cold if Brisbane fall, which is understandable as they are looking out for their best interests.

I think if the situation was more dire, more fuss would be made of it through the media and the club looking to evoke support from the community(I would hope) so I think no news is good news to a certain degree.

I think more will be revealed in the next week or so regarding the potential new owner, so stay tuned until then.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Whats the story with Bradshaw? Why was he dubious to return? Were the Bullets not prepared to renew his contract?

[whupass]

I passed on what I was told by someone very close to the Bullets organisation. Simple as that.
Lets see what happens anyway. Maybe once no one wants to buy the club then it will happen just a little bit later than first thought.
Maybe the Bullets decided to keep the stud players to have something to offer to a potential buyer rather than a Licence and no team.
Of course we have a commitment to play clause that already signed, so we know they will play next season don't we. ;)
Interesting that in the new NBL rules it covers teams that may "...default their license, have their license revoked by the NBL and or go into liquidation" is now included.
But what would I know.

We can add your inside knowledge of the Bullets to the growing list of things you know absolutely nothing about!

Obvioulsy the "person very close to the Bullets organisation" that you claim to know is either a FW like yourself or more than likely; a total fabricationin in your bitter, twisted pea brain! You consistently say things like "no one is interested", your totally incorrect. I can assure all that there are interested parties in buying the Bullets, hopefully within 7 to 10 days we might know something. You have NF idea!

Unlike you; I hope that the Kings and Bullets both survive. Was happy as Larry that the Hawks are still in the league. By losing any team; the NBL comes closer to extinction. Your sick perverse enjoyment of the Bullets prediciment shows what a bitter twisted ill informed little tosser you truely are!!

[whupass]

Whats the story with Bradshaw? Why was he dubious to return? Were the Bullets not prepared to renew his contract?

Bradshaw is very intersted to test the waters in Europe. The Bullets were very aware of that when they signed him for this season. Kids got a bright future and good luck to him.

Dusty is a different Kettle of fish. He had agreed to a long term deal with Brisbane prior to the playoffs, they had all but signed the deal. He loves it here in SE Qld and was keen to stay here long term. The fact that he becomes eligble to be naturalised in March next year makes him an even better prospect for any team. If I were the Blaze I would be chasing him big time, he already lives about 30 minutes from Southport!

CJ and Joey have indeed spoken to Perth, amongst others. Who can blame them for having a plan B. I know Joey is fully committed to making it happen in Brisbane. He is the driving force behind the scenes trying to put it all together, he too loves the Qld lifestyle and was hoping to put down roots here. If it don't happen pretty quick then they will have to ensure they have a job, can't blame them for that!

[havrilla the gorilla]

I passed on what I was told by someone very close to the Bullets organisation. .


By the Janitor or the homeless guy sleeping outside Suncorp Stadium?

Leave the inside information to people who have actually come through with information in the past, that has turned out to be fact. You have ignored legitimate posts of actual information, put your own spin on it to trash talk and try to look like a big man about town. :twisted:

Yeah we know you want the Bullets to go down, enough already. :roll:

[curious]

I passed on what I was told by someone very close to the Bullets organisation. .
By the Janitor or the homeless guy sleeping outside Suncorp Stadium?
Leave the inside information to people who have actually come through with information in the past, that has turned out to be fact. You have ignored legitimate posts of actual information, put your own spin on it to trash talk and try to look like a big man about town. :twisted:
Yeah we know you want the Bullets to go down, enough already. :roll:
Believe what you wish I dont give a rats.
I can assure you the person I spoke to should know you cant get a better person to find out from in fact. It's not hearsay but 1:1 info from some one closely involved in the Bullets organistaion. I then posted what I was told with no bias what so ever.
If the Bullets survive that's fine by me.
Maybe then we can try and get back to a more level playing field and things be a bit fairer for almost everyone else.

[isaac]

Not sure if this article's already been posted:

Players may have to bail on Bullets
http://news.smh.com.au/players-may-have ... -22pf.html (http://news.smh.com.au/players-may-have-to-bail-on-bullets/20080331-22pf.html)

Mackinnon and a few other players have already requested official permission from Brisbane to talk with other clubs.

[curious]

Indeed. Whilst technically not on the FA list all players are available to be recruited.
From the same article for those that thing I have been talking shit.
"“There was talk of a white knight today but I don’t know if that is going to come to fruition or not,” Mackinnon told AAP."
He also said"“There probably has to be a decisive decision by the end of the week about where the Brisbane Bullets stand with people signing deals the week after. “I’d be surprised if some of our players weren’t snapped up pretty quickly.”

Narelle Kelly also said that "Kelly admitted time was an enemy and that unless something positive surfaced soon Brisbane could be left with team but no experienced players.
“That’s a possibility and a new owner would have to go an assemble a new team,” he said.
Not far off the mark at all it seems.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I passed on what I was told by someone very close to the Bullets organisation.

Believe what you wish I dont give a rats.
I can assure you the person I spoke to should know you cant get a better person to find out from in fact. It's not hearsay but 1:1 info from some one closely involved in the Bullets organistaion. I then posted what I was told with no bias what so ever.
If the Bullets survive that's fine by me.
Maybe then we can try and get back to a more level playing field and things be a bit fairer for almost everyone else.

We all knew the situaiton with the players probably having to leave, so don't palm that off as some sort of scoop courtesy of you. The problem I had with your posts was your adamant insistance that nobody is interested in buying the Bullets, which is totally untrue.

As far as a more even playing field, Brisbane din't create the rules they played by them. I'm sure people don't think Melboune are on a level playing field with the nous to replace one ex-NBA import with another. They are ten deep, with a wealthy owner but you don't hear shit about their team or owner because he didn't lose his multi-media empire in the space of a couple of weeks, played out in the media like a bad episode of the Apprentice. I am not suggesting the Tigers are over the cap, and if they were it is not my place to disclose it. What I am saying is that Brisbane fielded a team, the NBL had no problem with it and they won a championship. Boo hoo get over it :roll:

[curious]

We all knew the situaiton with the players probably having to leave, so don't palm that off as some sort of scoop courtesy of you. The problem I had with your posts was your adamant insistance that nobody is interested in buying the Bullets, which is totally untrue.
Shame seeing as "we all knew" the players would be leaving you didn't tell us.
I too know for a fact many people are interested in buying the Bullets.
Yet no one including Eddie has said sign here, or the potential buyer saying, I want to sign right now.
The longer it takes the less chance there will be a team left to buy along with the Licence.
No team and Licence is all but worthless plus paying out any debtors makes the matter worse.

I bid a $1.

[isaac]

Havrilla, are you kidding me? People talk about the Tigers and both caps all the time!

[Earnie Shavers]

Maybe if Mr Groves had spent a little less on court and a little more off court the team would be a more attractive proposition at this point (I know the same goes for the Kings to a degree). You'd also have more luck holding onto players if their legitimate contracts - all that a new owner has to take on and honour - were all that they were being paid. If not, higher chance some players will look to use a window to bolt to whoever is in the money this year and can keep them at a certain level.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Maybe once no one wants to buy the club then it will happen just a little bit later than first thought..

I too know for a fact many people are interested in buying the Bullets..

Which one is it then? Are people interested in buying them or not? Make up your mind instead of babbling shit.


Maybe the Bullets decided to keep the stud players to have something to offer to a potential buyer rather than a Licence and no team..

You really are deeply confused aren't you?


Shame seeing as "we all knew" the players would be leaving you didn't tell us..

I figured you had done enough talking for the both of us. I certainly didn't come to that conclusion based on anything you had to say.


Yet no one including Eddie has said sign here, or the potential buyer saying, I want to sign right now

You are a genius. In case you didn't realise, the NBL is not in good shape so there is so much to consider in buying a franchise. It is not like buying a McDonalds(where you are probably guarenteed a profit at the very least) chances are the Bullets will struggle to make a profit. So in effect you are asking somebody to put cash into something because they love it and have the distinction of owning an Australian sporting team. It is not to say it can't make money in the future, but you need a business plan and a strategy to ensure it is financial to a point and can sustain in the future. This takes time....you can't sign right now.... :roll:

The longer it takes the less chance there will be a team left to buy along with the Licence...
No team and Licence is all but worthless plus paying out any debtors makes the matter worse....

Once again your insightful analysis is amazing. For the third time(excuse the caps everybody else) THE CLUB IS NOT IN DEBT. GROVES PAID ALL OF THE BILLS. THE CLUB CAN SUSTAIN ITSELF UNTIL JUNE. You really don't read other posts do you? You just thunder away and type. Yeah, a sporting club is worthless because it has no players. Wake up you idiot. :evil:

I bid a $1.

Save it and put it towards the Kings... :evil:

[fraggs]

One of the things I always said about all of the apparant cap-cheating: owners and players are taking risks. Money under the table is never written into a contract and you can't write it off on your corporate tax return. It's never as simple as just giving someone the extra dollars, actual salary cap cheating would have to be fairly well thought out.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Maybe if Mr Groves had spent a little less on court and a little more off court the team would be a more attractive proposition at this point (I know the same goes for the Kings to a degree). You'd also have more luck holding onto players if their legitimate contracts - all that a new owner has to take on and honour - were all that they were being paid. If not, higher chance some players will look to use a window to bolt to whoever is in the money this year and can keep them at a certain level.

Are you serious???? After what Eddy Groves and ABC has done for the league compared to Firepower? What Eddy was spending off the court has been saving this league for years. Ask 36's fans how they like the Dome next time you think Eddy should adjust his spending habits.

I know the same goes for the Kings to a degree). To a degree doesn't cut it champ. Try using a gross understatement when talking about something else. Unlike Johnstone, Groves din't treat everybody like shit and f*** the place up for the new owner to inherit. I'm all for being patriotic to ones club of choice, but don't go there if you don't want egg on your face.

[curious]

So Eddie bought the Dome because he didnt want a viable business?
If Eddie didn't buy the Dome as a profitable business no wonder he's broke.
I Eddie didn't buy the Dome the 6'ers would have to play out of another gym.
So what is your point?

After what Eddie has done with someone elses money is indeed commendable. It bought him a premiership and I am sure he's happy with that.
It was only a few weeks a go Eddie said "It's not something I've considered yet" about selling the Bullets.
Then of course JVG said "I'm not sweating on Eddy Groves' decision," he said. "I have a plan and a good notion what it takes to run a good club.
"I have great confidence in Eddy Groves."
Now the clubs for sale and JVG's destered the ship.

You believe what you wish. We know how quickly things can change.
Certainly Sam's touting himself around. No point in me mentioning that either I guess. I guess you know that too.

[isaac]

Havrilla, I think you missed what I assumed to be Earnie's point: not throw money at on court and off court problems, but develop a more self-sustaining business.

[havrilla the gorilla]

So Eddie bought the Dome because he didnt want a viable business?
If Eddie didn't buy the Dome as a profitable business no wonder he's broke.
I Eddie didn't buy the Dome the 6'ers would have to play out of another gym.
So what is your point?

I don't think you will get it. I will PM you in crayon.

After what Eddie has done with someone elses money is indeed commendable. It bought him a premiership and I am sure he's happy with that.
It was only a few weeks a go Eddie said "It's not something I've considered yet" about selling the Bullets.
Then of course JVG said "I'm not sweating on Eddy Groves' decision," he said. "I have a plan and a good notion what it takes to run a good club.
"I have great confidence in Eddy Groves."
Now the clubs for sale and JVG's destered the ship..

Yep, pretty sure I got my head around that one too. When you have lost several millions in the space of 24 hours I think you reserve the right to say "it's not something I've considered yet" once he considered it we know which decision he made. But thanks again for dissecting the obvious.

You believe what you wish. We know how quickly things can change.
Certainly Sam's touting himself around. No point in me mentioning that either I guess. I guess you know that too.

http://news.smh.com.au/players-may-have ... -22pf.html (http://news.smh.com.au/players-may-have-to-bail-on-bullets/20080331-22pf.html)

Are you meaning to say you actually read an article? Say it isn't so. Or did you go to your source for that one?
I guess you know that too
I know the situation. But I don't need the personal satisfaction to break it in this arena and appear to be top shit like you. Notice I said appear....

[havrilla the gorilla]

Havrilla, I think you missed what I assumed to be Earnie's point: not throw money at on court and off court problems, but develop a more self-sustaining business.


If I entertain that Isaac, when you are worth hundreds of millions I think you can afford to run a pretty loose ship. He didn't go broke and sell the team because he ran the club badly, he simply lost his livelihood that's all.

[Stumps]

I'm sure people don't think Melboune are on a level playing field with the nous to replace one ex-NBA import with another. They are ten deep, with a wealthy owner but you don't hear shit about their team or owner
I'll be sure to point people in this direction next time I'm accused of being a broken record!

[curious]

Yah good point Magilla.
sam saying one thing "The players, led by skipper Sam Mackinnon, are desperate to stay and fight for the foundation club's survival." and doing another.
A bit like Joey I guess. Save the Club and get an interview in Perth.
But you already know that too.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Yah good point Magilla.
sam saying one thing "The players, led by skipper Sam Mackinnon, are desperate to stay and fight for the foundation club's survival." and doing another.
A bit like Joey I guess. Save the Club and get an interview in Perth.
But you already know that too.


Yeah, take everything entirely at face value. As much as Sam and Joey love the club and want to stay, they are not going to be unemployed at the same time are they? They have families, but let's starve because we love Brisbane and are going to sacrifice our employment and the game they love being involved with on a philosophy. I thought the concept of being Pragmatic was beyond you, but you are being utterly stupid.

Did Joey explore the option of going to Perth because he wanted out of Brisbane? No...he explored that option because there is a possibility of there being no Brisbane to coach. The guy coaches for an income. But he's not allowed to help or prefer to stay in Brisbane because he had an interview with Perth. Nice logic mate you are on fire.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I'll be sure to point people in this direction next time I'm accused of being a broken record!


No just point it at yourself. You are the grand master of being a broken record. I also think I have found you a new sparring partner that has worse tunnel vision than you :)

[curious]

Yah good point Magilla.
sam saying one thing "The players, led by skipper Sam Mackinnon, are desperate to stay and fight for the foundation club's survival." and doing another.
A bit like Joey I guess. Save the Club and get an interview in Perth.
But you already know that too.
Yeah, take everything entirely at face value. As much as Sam and Joey love the club and want to stay, they are not going to be unemployed at the same time are they? They have families, but let's starve because we love Brisbane and are going to sacrifice our employment and the game they love being involved with on a philosophy. I thought the concept of being Pragmatic was beyond you, but you are being utterly stupid.
Did Joey explore the option of going to Perth because he wanted out of Brisbane? No...he explored that option because there is a possibility of there being no Brisbane to coach. The guy coaches for an income. But he's not allowed to help or prefer to stay in Brisbane because he had an interview with Perth. Nice logic mate you are on fire.
If your happy with that arrangement that fine by me.

[Stumps]

I'll be sure to point people in this direction next time I'm accused of being a broken record!
No just point it at yourself. You are the grand master of being a broken record. I also think I have found you a new sparring partner that has worse tunnel vision than you :)
Apologies if this is becoming a constant theme, but I think once again you completely missed my point. I wasn't suggesting you were a broken record (nice "I know you are you said you are but what am I" comeback, BTW), just pointing out that I have been accused of being a broken record in my criticism of the Tigers and their owner over salary/points cap issues, which you obviously have not noticed.

[WebMonkey]

I'm with you Havrilla. But arguing on the internet is worse than being one of the semi-functioning retards that troll forums.

I unfortunately also think the Bullets are screwed. You'd have to have rocks in your head, or many spare millions to throw away, if you were to seriously consider taking over an NBL team in the current league environment.

And Brisbane just doesn't have a suitable venue for an NBL team right now.

[Earnie Shavers]

What's wrong with where they play? I've never been there, but it sounds like it's the right size/good location etc.

[isaac]

If I entertain that Isaac, when you are worth hundreds of millions I think you can afford to run a pretty loose ship. He didn't go broke and sell the team because he ran the club badly, he simply lost his livelihood that's all.Haven't said that he did. The discussion was regarding Earnie's comment:
Maybe if Mr Groves had spent a little less on court and a little more off court the team would be a more attractive proposition at this point.
It wasn't that he should have, just that the situation would be different if he had.

Earnie - have seen a game at the Ent Cent which was quite good and really well located, I thought.

[Earnie Shavers]

Yep - Brisbane posters here often point out that despite all the cash, during 'the Groves Years' the Bullets never made real inroads into the market, and didn't outwardly appear to do a lot in regards to trying to, ie establishing the brand, promoting the team etc. I'm happy to be proven wrong, just the opinion I got from posts here. And Havrilla, don't think I'm one eyed or overly 'club patriotic' in regards to that sort of thing - I'm probably too critical of the Kings off court, if anything. I said that the same goes for the Kings "to a degree" as they have done similar, but not 'quite' the same. Essential result is the same: Successful on court, complete failure to capitalise/build/establish off court, resulting in near disaster off court.

[havrilla the gorilla]

I'll be sure to point people in this direction next time I'm accused of being a broken record!
No just point it at yourself. You are the grand master of being a broken record. I also think I have found you a new sparring partner that has worse tunnel vision than you :)
Apologies if this is becoming a constant theme, but I think once again you completely missed my point. I wasn't suggesting you were a broken record (nice "I know you are you said you are but what am I" comeback, BTW), just pointing out that I have been accused of being a broken record in my criticism of the Tigers and their owner over salary/points cap issues, which you obviously have not noticed.

Fair enough, it could have been contrued that way though. My comment was not a comeback at you(I was no offended at all) but speaking of common themes, the inference that I replied with a prep school comeback at you is what makes you a broken record.

which you obviously have not noticed.

Yep sorry, got better things to do than peruse the archives for Stumps' greatest hits.

[Statman72]

Havrilla, I think you missed what I assumed to be Earnie's point: not throw money at on court and off court problems, but develop a more self-sustaining business.


If I entertain that Isaac, when you are worth hundreds of millions I think you can afford to run a pretty loose ship. He didn't go broke and sell the team because he ran the club badly, he simply lost his livelihood that's all.

Havrilla - cant doubt your passion for the team but IMO your above comment shows that you have lost a bit of perspective in your argument.
Sure he didnt lose his millions because of the Bullets, however - IF he had run the club better (ie not overpayed for on court talent) then the club may have not be in the position it is now, where any potential investors are scared off by the massive outlay of funds required to keep the playing and coaching group intact.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Yep - Brisbane posters here often point out that despite all the cash, during 'the Groves Years' the Bullets never made real inroads into the market, and didn't outwardly appear to do a lot in regards to trying to, ie establishing the brand, promoting the team etc. I'm happy to be proven wrong, just the opinion I got from posts here. And Havrilla, don't think I'm one eyed or overly 'club patriotic' in regards to that sort of thing - I'm probably too critical of the Kings off court, if anything. I said that the same goes for the Kings "to a degree" as they have done similar, but not 'quite' the same. Essential result is the same: Successful on court, complete failure to capitalise/build/establish off court, resulting in near disaster off court.

Fair enough Earnie. I think the problem is exposure of the league as a whole, as opposed to a club by club basis. I get the impression that the North Queensland clubs, Melbourne and Perth are the only teams that seem to be rolling along nicely. I have been impressed with the Wildcats, who seem to evoke interest from the fans and have built some sort of profile. However, they no longer play out of the Entertainment Centre(one of my all time favourite venues) which means they have downsized and a whole lot of people who once went to games are no longer going to games.

It is the same in Brisbane - going from the BEC to the BECC. People have gotten all excited about possibly heading back to Boondall, but crowds were dwindling in the mid nineties, even with the free to air exposure on ten. Unless you live on Brisbane's north side the location is terrible. At least the Convention Centre is centrally located. Apparently certain clubs are operating under a modified business plan that is suited to the current state of the NBL, but how do you expose the league as a whole - television and media.

It is all well and good to promote your club also, but if the league as a whole is underperforming it won't really help in the long run. It is the million dollar question - how do we make basketball strong again?

[whupass]

Yep - Brisbane posters here often point out that despite all the cash, during 'the Groves Years' the Bullets never made real inroads into the market, and didn't outwardly appear to do a lot in regards to trying to, ie establishing the brand, promoting the team etc. I'm happy to be proven wrong, just the opinion I got from posts here. And Havrilla, don't think I'm one eyed or overly 'club patriotic' in regards to that sort of thing - I'm probably too critical of the Kings off court, if anything. I said that the same goes for the Kings "to a degree" as they have done similar, but not 'quite' the same. Essential result is the same: Successful on court, complete failure to capitalise/build/establish off court, resulting in near disaster off court.

Ahh a Reasonable Kings fan, nice to see Earnie.

I agree with your comments above. With JVG running the club it was all about looking after yourself. They did ZERO to market and promote to the local grass roots. JVG wouldn't even know where the majority of BB venues are in the city and surrounds. He didn't care, hence the Bullets made no real effort to foster relationships with the local associations in town.

The problem with the venue is the cost, its dear as posion to hire. The food, drink and parking are exspensive and the Club gets nothing from any of these revenue streams. The venue is very comfortable and centrally located right in the heart of South Bank. I think it seats like 3,300 to 3.500. The venue is "suitable", just financially not viable, in the current arrangements.

I, like you, think there are a lot of similarities between where the Bullets and Kings find themselves at present. Most of your supporters give off the impression that its smooth sailing ahead. I have no inside info, so willl not comment, but I haven't seen anything announcing that new ownership has been secured. I certainly hope that is the case and both the Bullets and the Kings are ready for tipoff in 08/09.

[isaac]

I think it's more a case of many of the fans being quite happy to have the majority of their team re-signed when they may have expected to lose the coach and most of the squad.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Havrilla - cant doubt your passion for the team but IMO your above comment shows that you have lost a bit of perspective in your argument.
Sure he didnt lose his millions because of the Bullets, however - IF he had run the club better (ie not overpayed for on court talent) then the club may have not be in the position it is now, where any potential investors are scared off by the massive outlay of funds required to keep the playing and coaching group intact.

Fair call mate, but I don't think it was Groves job to do that. As I said in my last post, the league needs to function as a symbiant group. I absolutely agree with the promotion of one's club, and more could be done here. Let's take it back to the grass roots - clinics, radio station appearances, word of mouth and promotions. Obviously tv promotion is the big one, but is also expensive.

I don't profess to have all the answers, but all of this stuff is a start. It is one of the most participated sports, particularly among younger people yet the exposure is very minimal. I can remember watching morning cartoons before primary school with ads for the league, kids camps like the Supercamp, and Andrew Gaze doing a variety of things. There were ads saying when the Bullets next home game was. Let's face it, nowdays unless you scope out ticketek or the net you would not have a clue when the next home game was unless you were in the know or in with somebody who is.

any potential investors are scared off by the massive outlay of funds required to keep the playing and coaching group intact.

That won't be a problem. Unfortunately the potential deal won't be done in time and therefore the players can't be assured of the future. The other NBL clubs are going to have a field day picking off the team. The entire Bullets squad will be playing elsewhere in 08/09. :cry:

[Earnie Shavers]

I think King-fan confidence in next season and beyond is pretty well founded. While Bullets players are sweating and talking to other clubs, the Kings are re-signing en masse. That Kendall and likely Smith in particular - legit free agents and big targets for other clubs - are happily returning is a very good sign that there is a definite sense of security there privately, even if there's nothing yet publicly confirmed. I'm personally not going to be anywhere near relaxed about it until new ownership is formally in place either, but these are certainly good signs so far. I also sincerely hope the Bullets can find a similar resolution. If you guys only lose imports and maybe Bruton (as the Kings will with imports and Worthington) but can retain some sort of core, particularly Mackinnon (as with Smith in Sydney) and maybe Joey, you'll be fine to move forward. You never know.

[isaac]

Depends how you define "fine to move forward". Assemble a team or beat a few other sides, sure. But to contend you need a strong roster, to recruit early and generally be willing to spend. If the Bullets lose Ere, Rychart, Bruton and Bradshaw in one off-season they'll have an up-hill battle from there to bring in two starter-calibre locals to run with Mackinnon (assuming he stays and is fit to play).

Looking outside the current league ranks, they could bring in Ryan I suppose to replace Bruton. Are there many other quality players outside the NBL they could have in mind should the current crop move on?

[havrilla the gorilla]

Depends how you define "fine to move forward". Assemble a team or beat a few other sides, sure. But to contend you need a strong roster, to recruit early and generally be willing to spend. If the Bullets lose Ere, Rychart, Bruton and Bradshaw in one off-season they'll have an up-hill battle from there to bring in two starter-calibre locals to run with Mackinnon (assuming he stays and is fit to play).

Looking outside the current league ranks, they could bring in Ryan I suppose to replace Bruton. Are there many other quality players outside the NBL they could have in mind should the current crop move on?


As I said, any Bullet that intends playing in the NBL next season will be signed within the next ten days by an opposing club. It would be nice if they could sign with a clause stating if Brisbane don't fold they remain a Bullet, but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. Dont worry about pre-empting who will and won't go - they are all going, unless Jesus comes back from the dead and buys the club before Friday.

As far as building a team from the dregs....I would have no idea who or how they could foster a competitive team. It is sad but the starting five in 08/09 could be something like this:

PG: Luke Gribble
SG: Roger Smith
C: Andre Moore
SF: Leroy Loggins
PF: Robert Sibley

[Air Sess]

Hey, I am old school Bullets fan and I would take watching the great man Leroy Loggins play any day over watching any current NBL players(even at 50). I am sure Dre would love to play too. Lets hope it does not come to that and the team can get sorted out. It would be awesome to watch Leroy tear up this league in his prime again. I know Ebi is a great scorer but he is not half the all round player Leroy was in his day. Hell, Leroy at 37 would cover Ebi anyday.

Lets just hope an owner can be found and fast. The Bullets have built a strong team over the last couple of years and it would be a shame to see all that talent slip away. It didn't happen over night but you have to feel sorry for the players. They need to know what is happening and protect there own interests too. The club has great pride and history and have finally rebuilt themselves again. Eddie pulled the pin to soon or to late.

[havrilla the gorilla]

They need to know what is happening and protect there own interests too. The club has great pride and history and have finally rebuilt themselves again. Eddie pulled the pin to soon or to late.

Go back and read the news articles and any post by Whupass or myself. What I have said wasn't my mind ticking over scenarios, it is fact. I wish it was all a bad dream, but have lived in denial long enough. It saddened me to actually write the words. The Bullets team of the last two seasons are over. They do know what is happening and are protecting their own interests which is why they are leaving.

I don't think Eddy pulled the pin, he woke up one morning with an A-Bomb up his ass. It was great while it lasted, I was beginning to wonder if 1987 was going to be the last championship infinitely.

PS- Kudos to Leroy. Alongside Andrew Gaze the greatest NBL player ever. 8)

[fahootie]

lol....just had a call from PPQ (Personalised Plates Queensland) asking if I was interesting in buying some of the new Brisbane Bullets number plates (I had previously registered my interest online)....


I said "they'll be gone by next week"

[whupass]

lol....just had a call from PPQ (Personalised Plates Queensland) asking if I was interesting in buying some of the new Brisbane Bullets number plates (I had previously registered my interest online)....


I said "they'll be gone by next week"

Wanna bet on that???

[fahootie]

lol....just had a call from PPQ (Personalised Plates Queensland) asking if I was interesting in buying some of the new Brisbane Bullets number plates (I had previously registered my interest online)....


I said "they'll be gone by next week"

Wanna bet on that???

nah, I'm hoping they'll be around for the next 29 years....I hope you know something that I don't

[curious]

See the Wildcats thread with the Un FA CJ negotiating (allegedly) with them. What a joke.

[whupass]

See the Wildcats thread with the Un FA CJ negotiating (allegedly) with them. What a joke.

Thanks for your positive contribution..this has been explained to death.

I would suggest that you get a mirror and look directly into it..there's your joke.

Pathetic!!

[Cussy]

See the Wildcats thread with the Un FA CJ negotiating (allegedly) with them. What a joke.

Again....

If he has been given permission to talk to other clubs, then it doesn't matter that he is not a free agent. I think you're just shitty that the Wildcats have a chance at recruiting a Boomer.

[gangsta boo]

Others have already left the Bullets

[Daevo]

So with bits of debris dropping to Earth all over the league, is there any admission from head office that the sky might actually need some propping up? :roll:

[havrilla the gorilla]

See the Wildcats thread with the Un FA CJ negotiating (allegedly) with them. What a joke.

Thanks for your positive contribution..this has been explained to death.

I would suggest that you get a mirror and look directly into it..there's your joke.

Pathetic!!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[curious]

See the Wildcats thread with the Un FA CJ negotiating (allegedly) with them. What a joke.
Again....
If he has been given permission to talk to other clubs, then it doesn't matter that he is not a free agent. I think you're just shitty that the Wildcats have a chance at recruiting a Boomer.
Just making him and everyone else that are "still under contract" a FA . It then makes it a level playing field for everyone rather than this game the Bullets are trying to play.
If the Wildcats can pay him legally and fit him in the points cap. Good luck to them.

[fahootie]

:lol: :lol: :lol: at Curious, still trying to justify how his statement that all the Bullets players would be on the FA list was correct.

Keep trying little man. :lol:


always watching! :lol:

[scooterrich]

Cal Bruton offering his help in the Courier Mail today. Hmmm...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23478949-23769,00.html)

[curious]

:lol: :lol: :lol: at Curious, still trying to justify how his statement that all the Bullets players would be on the FA list was correct.
Keep trying little man. :lol:
always watching! :lol:
I only passed on what I was told by an employee of the Bullets.
Ask them, not me.

[whupass]

:lol: :lol: :lol: at Curious, still trying to justify how his statement that all the Bullets players would be on the FA list was correct.
Keep trying little man. :lol:
always watching! :lol:
I only passed on what I was told by an employee of the Bullets.
Ask them, not me.

You really expect anyone to believe that you know anyone of any importance in the Bisbane organization? That's why all "your mail" has been totally wrong!! You know nothing about what goes on in Brisbane.

You got nothing, your only making it up to stir shit. You really are a pathetic excuse for a human being! Total oxygen thief!

[curious]

At least I can spell and quote. Guess you've been on the gas(or whatever) again.
I could also happily post the name of the person that gave me the info too. But I won't embarrass them. I can assure you my info came from the Bullets office. I can assure you I have no reason to lie.

[Stumps]

I think whoever is stealing your oxygen has also stolen part of your [quote] tags, whupass.

[whupass]

At least I can spell and quote. Guess you've been on the gas(or whatever) again.
I could also happily post the name of the person that gave me the info too. But I won't embarrass them. I can assure you my info came from the Bullets office. I can assure you I have no reason to lie.

You can spell? what exactly is "PWNED" and I quote from you on another thread? You really are stopping low now; picking on spelling mistakes, like you never make em? Please...

Ok I aint good at the quoting bit, but then again I haven't posted thousands of times like you and Stumps. You guys should be good at it. Congrats you guys are message board experts.

You can assure me of whatever you want, cause I know your a liar and a shit stirrer. You got no source in the Bullets office!! If you did, at least ONE thing you have said recently would be correct. You have not even been close! You need to come up with a new imaginary friend in the "Bullets office"!

To all the message board experts; apologies for mis-spelling and shitty quoting technique..

[whupass]

I think whoever is stealing your oxygen has also stolen part of your tags, whupass.

Yeah I am shit at that.

I mean this in the nicest possible way. I am impressed at how you break down your response and answer each quote, with FA spelling, and grammatical errors. (Is there spell check on here, obvioulsy I haven't found it!!) It makes it easier to read and is very effective. I have tried, and I don't have enough time to spend on here perfecting it, sorry.

I guess your 20 thousand odd posts might be an advantage as well. :)

[curious]

...You really are stopping low now; picking on spelling mistakes, like you never make em? Please...
....Ok I aint good at the quoting bit, To all the message board experts; apologies for mis-spelling and shitty quoting technique..
I have never stopped low before. Try posting sober next time.
Your 'shitty' mis spelling and quoting techniques have never surfaced before.
Some of us try and contribute to the discussions here. Not just troll looking for cheap shots. That's why many of us here have higher post counts I assume. You seem to worry about that for some reason.

Pwned.

[fahootie]

Pwned.

only in your mind :lol:

(mod note - on topic please, kiddies!)

[hendrix]

At least I can spell and quote. Guess you've been on the gas(or whatever) again.
I could also happily post the name of the person that gave me the info too. But I won't embarrass them. I can assure you my info came from the Bullets office. I can assure you I have no reason to lie.

you might as well name them. Given the current state of the club, there aren't exactly many people working in 'the Bullets office'!

[curious]

Oh I spoke to "betty" in the front office.
You ask "betty" and "Betty" will tell you my identity.
Certainly the person I spoke to should know and I posted exactly what I was told with no enhancements what so ever.

[Cussy]

I betty didnt speak to her at all.

[CGG]

Okay - so has anybody actually heard anything about the ownership issue for the Bullets? I really enjoy travelling to watch my team and Brisbane is quite pleasant, so I'm kinda hoping that we can find someone to pull the club out of the doodoo.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Okay - so has anybody actually heard anything about the ownership issue for the Bullets? I really enjoy travelling to watch my team and Brisbane is quite pleasant, so I'm kinda hoping that we can find someone to pull the club out of the doodoo.

In short - ownership potential and the club surviving looks promising, retaining last years roster looking not so promising.

I would reveal more but Betty would kill me.... :P

[curious]

Well I hope the info you were given is more reliable than what I was given. Let's hope you aren't getting the info from the same source.

[havrilla the gorilla]

It is pretty much assured that the Bullets will be left with little that resembles last years team, so would they consider bringing Ben Castle home to finish his career?

I know his form last year with the Hawks was patchy, but with the situation facing Brisbane they could do far worse than adding him to the bench, and sometimes players can lift and increase performance if they are back home and playing in front of friends and family. He has always been a quality defender, and can add some scoring punch with someone like Williamson(if he stays) from beyond the arc.

[havrilla the gorilla]

Well I hope the info you were given is more reliable than what I was given. Let's hope you aren't getting the info from the same source.


Judging by the tripe you have been posting over the past few weeks I seriously doubt it.

PS - If I take you up on your advice to clarify your source, is the codename operation Curious and the password Swordfish? Or maybe I just slide a yellow envelope under the door with Betty marked in Nicko. I love this espionage stuff... 8)

[curious]

Certainly spoke to someone today who was suggesting that things seem to be going along OK.
Eddie might have someone in talks with him.

[fahootie]

Certainly spoke to someone today who was suggesting that things seem to be going along OK.


:lol: How predictable.

[coast2coast]

It is pretty much assured that the Bullets will be left with little that resembles last years team, so would they consider bringing Ben Castle home to finish his career?

I know his form last year with the Hawks was patchy, but with the situation facing Brisbane they could do far worse than adding him to the bench, and sometimes players can lift and increase performance if they are back home and playing in front of friends and family. He has always been a quality defender, and can add some scoring punch with someone like Williamson(if he stays) from beyond the arc.

This situation could be ideal for Williamson to log consistent minutes and have a break-out year. If there is a Bullets he would be mad to move at this point in his career. He will have a chance to put up some big numbers and all the best to him. Agree with you about Benny Castle. Quality defender and good pick-up if the Bullets don't have much to throw around.

[curious]

Certainly spoke to someone today who was suggesting that things seem to be going along OK.

:lol: How predictable.
Yes I knew you would bite. How predictable.
You forgot to quote the bit about Eddie I mentioned in talks with a possible owner. Of course I am making that up as well. Silly me.

I am sure someone here may know and could confirm. But of course they won't ever admit I may be right.

[Gong4life]

As a Hawks supporter, I hope the league throws a line out to Brisbane like they did for us so as to keep both foundation teams in the competion. :)

[Cracker]

Yes I have also heard that things are going along well and there should be some news either tommorrow or Wednesday.

[hendrix]

Oh I spoke to "betty" in the front office.
You ask "betty" and "Betty" will tell you my identity.
Certainly the person I spoke to should know and I posted exactly what I was told with no enhancements what so ever.

Ok, so the office includes Narelle and Emma.... and Betty???
where does she fit in?

[havrilla the gorilla]

The latest in the media in case you havn't seen yet, and no surprise to those keeping up with the saga.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23500267-23769,00.html)

If Sam plays for the Tigers next season I'll vomit. :x

[fahootie]

Certainly spoke to someone today who was suggesting that things seem to be going along OK.

:lol: How predictable.
Yes I knew you would bite. How predictable.

Did Betty tell you?

[King of Kings]

The latest in the media in case you havn't seen yet, and no surprise to those keeping up with the saga.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 69,00.html (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23500267-23769,00.html)

If Sam plays for the Tigers next season I'll vomit. :x

Salary cap anyone. According to the Tigers discussion and mentioned on GAZE.com that bastion of journalistic hot tips (NOT) they will also have Rod Grizzard and Julius Hodge on the roster. How do you get Anstey, Mackinnon, Barlow, Hodge, Grizzard, Hoare, DC, Crosswell etc in under $900K, what a joke if true. Who plays point guard on that roster (crosswell is average)?

[Shannon Noll]

Salary cap anyone. According to the Tigers discussion and mentioned on GAZE.com that bastion of journalistic hot tips (NOT) they will also have Rod Grizzard and Julius Hodge on the roster. How do you get Anstey, Mackinnon, Barlow, Hodge, Grizzard, Hoare, DC, Crosswell etc in under $900K, what a joke if true. Who plays point guard on that roster (crosswell is average)?

Who gives a sh!t who plays point guard on that roster, like Lindsay said to me in our conversation tonight, we got hustled by every quality guard in the league this season, but we will hurt you in other ways.

Anstey, Mackinnon - last 2 seasons' MVPs.

Barlow
Hodge
Grizzard

Basically, we will f*ck you up 5 times before you can blink.