36ers Off-Season Thread 08/09

[isaac]

The options are a little limited. Locally, none of the young bigs stand out as a clear option though Hoban is having a much improved season for Forestville. Dodman is doing well enough for Sturt and could be retained. After that, the options would be Breheny and Bungey. I haven't heard of any stand out bigs from elsewhere in the country who might be worth looking at.

Of the more established players, Craig Bradshaw is 9 points, but we'd struggle to find him minutes and justify the cost (and I think he's committing to Europe, despite entertaining the idea of joining Townsville and a couple of other teams). Might've been worth going for Anthony Petrie (was with the Pigs, now with the Bullets). Other seemingly available PF/Cs are David Stiff, Chris Cameron, Axel Dench, Hobba (or did he re-sign with the Dragons?), Matt Smith (unless Cairns have signed him), David Donaldson or Anthony Susnjara.

I think the best bet would be to just have points spare and go with Dodman or Hoban. Next season, we'll want as many points available as possible and I can't see a back-up PF getting a lot of minutes anyway. As it is, Cooper will probably see some time at PF assuming Schenscher can demand 30-35 MPG and Holmes can do the same with overlap from a SG/SF import or Hill covering for him at SF.

[sixers33]

The options are a little limited. Locally, none of the young bigs stand out as a clear option though Hoban is having a much improved season for Forestville. Dodman is doing well enough for Sturt and could be retained. After that, the options would be Breheny and Bungey. I haven't heard of any stand out bigs from elsewhere in the country who might be worth looking at.

Of the more established players, Craig Bradshaw is 9 points, but we'd struggle to find him minutes and justify the cost (and I think he's committing to Europe, despite entertaining the idea of joining Townsville and a couple of other teams). Might've been worth going for Anthony Petrie (was with the Pigs, now with the Bullets). Other seemingly available PF/Cs are David Stiff, Chris Cameron, Axel Dench, Hobba (or did he re-sign with the Dragons?), Matt Smith (unless Cairns have signed him), David Donaldson or Anthony Susnjara.

I think the best bet would be to just have points spare and go with Dodman or Hoban. Next season, we'll want as many points available as possible and I can't see a back-up PF getting a lot of minutes anyway. As it is, Cooper will probably see some time at PF assuming Schenscher can demand 30-35 MPG and Holmes can do the same with overlap from a SG/SF import or Hill covering for him at SF.

David Stiff would be a good one to look at, however is he retiring? I remember Geordie Cullen used to kill the Sixers day in, day out i wonder if he is available?

If Dodman can improve his free throws then he could definitely be an option as backup PF.

[Voice(s)]

With limited minutes I could handle Pero Vasiljevic.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Pero wouldn't be a bad choice as far as injecting some energy into the crowd... Plus he'd have the size to cover people in case of foul trouble. Plus he can make the odd move here and there which could potentially swing the momentum of the game.

[isaac]

Can't see Cullen playing in the NBL again to be honest, which is a shame because he has raw talent. Not sure if it'd be worth Stiff moving again for one last year? I too could deal with Pero getting a gig mostly for the entertainment value, but not sure of NInny's perspective on him. At this stage, I reckon Hoban could be a chance.

[Da Houndawg #55]

May piss some people off to still be throwing his name around after a whole season out of the NBL... But I still think they could do well worse (and many teams do) than Kane Oakley.

Grab him and they have an additional option to go big even with Holmes on the bench with Oakley at the 3.

He's had a few nice ABA games and one particularly devastating game... I'd be interested to know what his points rating would be with a season out of the league. It could also mean that if there were an Australian player returning, he could be attainable with the cut of a less used player assuming his value had dipped beneath the previous 5 points...

[boz_novocastrian]

how many points would kane be worth as he last played in the nbl b4 the points cap

[isaac]

Likely no more than four or five points IMO.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Was 5, I'd figure they'd be able to drop another off for the year playing under nobody... but honestly I don't really have any basis for that thinking though.

[curious]

Indeed a 5.
I would guess he could get a few points off in fact.

[DDFan]

A huge apology is in order, & I bring it you & 36er management, right here on a nationally respected site.
My initial disgust & post on this thread was brought about by my blinkers in thinking that no management team would propose limiting volunteer input to just one. I've since done some digging around, & yes the decision was made & that there will be only 1 volunteer this coming season. The 1 person was approached, the person has agreed to initial terms, & has been appointed.
I wish the organisation & the sole volunteer all the very best.
I have no sore feelings on being cut, I saw it coming, but didn't believe the line that I was fed from management. For that I apologise.
Despite common belief, I won't be slashing my wrists over the dismissal. I would've enjoyed continuing my role, but my terms would never have suited management & I accept that.
I take comfort that I will be missed by those that matter. No prize for guessing who they are.

(mod note - and on that note, this is the last post on this particular matter in this thread please. Any further comments re: DD Fan's involvement will result in deletion and possible ban)

[grindog]

Rumours floating around that Julius has secured his NBA gig, nothing has been made official yet though. He is supposedly in New Jersery working with the Nets currently. Boti article this week talks about the club reviewing DVDs of other Import players, sorta feels a bit like they are gently letting us know that Hodge isnt returning.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23728163-5006371,00.html

[curious]

From the above article re Stiff:
"Retiring after the Tigers won the 2008 Hummer Championship, McDonald was expected to be an assistant coach with Melbourne, where David Stiff's fuiture also is cloudy.
"I haven't retired," Stiff declared, contrary to popular rumour. "The phone's just stopped ringing."
Typcical Stiffie comment. :lol:

[DICKO]

Grindog.

The fact is that they don't KNOW whether he is returning or not.

They will give him every chance of realising his NBA dream, but have offerred him a home at the 6ers if it doesn't happen.

They have other plans in place, and always have had, since they know that his return is probably a long shot.

Question.....Are NBA teams even able to offer contracts now? I thought they had pretty strict windows and I wouldn't have thought that during the playoffs would be one of them. I don't know, I'm just asking.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I jsut figured Ninnis wouldn't want to start his time completely unprepared for a player bolting to greener pastures, especially as the Sixers lost Newley last year with no real replacement.

It would be a large error on his part to not at least scope out alternatives, should the best case scenario for Julius come into fruition.

[grindog]

Grindog.

The fact is that they don't KNOW whether he is returning or not.

They will give him every chance of realising his NBA dream, but have offerred him a home at the 6ers if it doesn't happen.

They have other plans in place, and always have had, since they know that his return is probably a long shot.


If you say they dont know, I believe ya Dicko. Just with the rumours heard earlier in the week and this article coming out around the same time, it felt like the club were aware they have missed out on him and were preparing to let us down gently.

On, Newley. Would he be even a remote chance to return this year?

[Stumps]

On, Newley. Would he be even a remote chance to return this year?
If the Tigers can't get Mackinnon due to his health, I wouldn't be surprised to see Seamus pursue an alternate use of those 10 points ...

[isaac]

Newley may still be contracted to the 36ers if he returned to the NBL. If, for some reason, he returned from Europe, that would set Adelaide up well - use 10 points on Newley and grab a 9-point import. DeVries, Victor, Hendrix, even DUI-boy Young are all 9 points and could be useful.

Bad shooting weekend for Brad Hill last round in the Big V - 4/20 FG. Ryan Kersten's team had a bye, I think. David Cooper's Flames beat the Bearcats. From the pool of potential recruits, Erik Burdon's Rockets got the win and he was solid though not outstanding, Jordan Dodman was very accurate from the field (9/10 FG) as Sturt lost to Burdon's side, and Peter Hoban had a massive game for Forestville (going by the stats).

[boz_novocastrian]

the greek team that newley is playing for is relatively young all around newls' age and they want an older player as their import

[DDFan]

the greek team that newley is playing for is relatively young all around newls' age and they want an older player as their import
Have they got Stiff's number?

[AngusH]

Question.....Are NBA teams even able to offer contracts now? I thought they had pretty strict windows and I wouldn't have thought that during the playoffs would be one of them. I don't know, I'm just asking.

No, not until free agency 'starts'. They can verbally invite players to camp of course, but that's as firm a 'contract' as they can dish out at this time of year.

[DDFan]

Question.....Are NBA teams even able to offer contracts now? I thought they had pretty strict windows and I wouldn't have thought that during the playoffs would be one of them. I don't know, I'm just asking.

No, not until free agency 'starts'. They can verbally invite players to camp of course, but that's as firm a 'contract' as they can dish out at this time of year.
That's interesting, so when will Jules or the 36ers know where they stand? I don't have a clue when the NBA free agency starts, the draft system, signings, trades, whatever.

[boz_novocastrian]

i think its july 1 or usually 10 days after the draft has taken place

[isaac]

Dicko, that invite-to-camp vs actual-contract discrepancy could've led to confusion from Irrelevant's source that we talked about earlier this week?

DD, as per the last Boti-update, I think they're expecting to have a clearer picture around mid-July.

[AngusH]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23728163-5006371,00.html

"If we can't get Julius, a young Darnell Mee-type is probably what we'd be looking for," he said.

Hell, is that all? What team wouldn't like a young Darnell Mee? :D

[DDFan]

DD, as per the last Boti-update, I think they're expecting to have a clearer picture around mid-July.
2 months? :shock: :(
Anyways, as much as I'd love to see Jules back in a 36ers jersey, I hope his NBA dream happens for him.
Quality guy. He deserves it.

[Cram]

Yep, I'd love the Tigers to get a young Darnell Type. In fact, there wouldnt be a player type that would be more perfectly suited I would think.

Even once the NBA signing period starts, surely its gonna take longer then that to figure out whether Hodge will be available. The only way it would likely become clear is if he gets absolutely no interest and has to write off the NBA option before training camps start and I just cant see that happening. I would imagine he will get a training camp invite and go very close to making a roster (i still think he's a very good shot) meaning he wont be available until close to November even if we assume he gets cut eventually.

[grindog]

I would imagine he will get a training camp invite and go very close to making a roster (i still think he's a very good shot) meaning he wont be available until close to November even if we assume he gets cut eventually.

Im sure Adelaide would have told him a cut off date. But I think it will be August before we know.

[DDFan]

Even once the NBA signing period starts, surely its gonna take longer then that to figure out whether Hodge will be available. The only way it would likely become clear is if he gets absolutely no interest and has to write off the NBA option before training camps start and I just cant see that happening. I would imagine he will get a training camp invite and go very close to making a roster (i still think he's a very good shot) meaning he wont be available until close to November even if we assume he gets cut eventually.
OK 36er fans, stay tight, Cram's a baddy Tigs fan & just wants us all to slash our wrists. I'll shout it loud. 36er FANS, DON'T MAKE THE CUT. :P
Anyway, don't we want a new stadium in the West Parklands, & 2 more imports when Adam naturalises this season? Ah, & then there's that flashy scoreboard that didn't arrive last December.

[Stumps]

Newley may still be contracted to the 36ers if he returned to the NBL.
How does that work? You can only be contracted to one team at a time, can't you? Isn't that way Rillie was able to exercise an out-clause on his Pigs contract, go to Europe for a few weeks, get fired, and come back going "So, who wants to sign me now?", or how CJ has been able to pull his recurring magic trick? Not saying Newley wouldn't come back to the Sixers, just that I don't think they have any pre-existing contractual right to him.

If, for some reason, he returned from Europe, that would set Adelaide up well - use 10 points on Newley and grab a 9-point import. DeVries, Victor, Hendrix, even DUI-boy Young are all 9 points and could be useful.
You're forgetting that courtesy of the magical vagaries of the points system, Newley is a 9 (both at his last NBL rating and by virtue of his Euro experience), making the remaining 10 points extra handy.

[isaac]

Very unlikely that Newley would return anyway.

Cram and Grindog, I think you're right regarding Hodge. He could well be good enough to stay in the mix with training camps but not quite good enough to demand signing immediately.

[grindog]

Newley may still be contracted to the 36ers if he returned to the NBL.
How does that work? You can only be contracted to one team at a time, can't you? Isn't that way Rillie was able to exercise an out-clause on his Pigs contract, go to Europe for a few weeks, get fired, and come back going "So, who wants to sign me now?", or how CJ has been able to pull his recurring magic trick? Not saying Newley wouldn't come back to the Sixers, just that I don't think they have any pre-existing contractual right to him.

If, for some reason, he returned from Europe, that would set Adelaide up well - use 10 points on Newley and grab a 9-point import. DeVries, Victor, Hendrix, even DUI-boy Young are all 9 points and could be useful.
You're forgetting that courtesy of the magical vagaries of the points system, Newley is a 9 (both at his last NBL rating and by virtue of his Euro experience), making the remaining 10 points extra handy.

Wow, You are right about Newley only being a 9 point player. Thats very interesting.

As for not being signed to more than 1 club. Would Newley not also still be signed to Houston??

[Stumps]

Houston just hold his NBA rights (as, unlike the NBL, they have a draft). He's not signed with them until he actually "signs" with them.

[boz_novocastrian]

but would brad try to move onto another league to continue getting more exposure for a shot at the nba

[Voice(s)]

Obviously it's smart what Ninnis and the Sixers are doing. I don't think Hodge is a realistic possibility next season unless it's after the season has already started. He's not worth that gamble. If he doesn't come close to making a roster we would find out around August. Training camps usually start in September (the month the NBL season starts) and their pre-season games go through until the end of October. I've said before I don't think he'll ever make the NBA again but even so it could be as late as mid-late October before we know. A good month and a half into the NBL season.

I'd set a date say around July, if he can't do it then I'd proceed in ruling a line through him and focusing on the other candidates.

[ash_24]

If he gets a training camp contract, then we should look elsewhere. We should know that by the end of summer league games, I think?

[boz_novocastrian]

any team looking to get their import situation sorted, if its a new untested import I feel in my opinion should wait until mid july at the earliest as that is when you would know if a college player (non-australian player) gets drafted or not. If they do get drafted in the 2nd round, then by about mid july, the nbl teams should know whether or not these 2nd rounders have signed a contract or are heading over to europe.

One Big question I have, is that the Olympics starting on 8th august. Shouldn't the NBL season be pushed back into October this year as a result of the Olympics only finishing less than a month before the beginning of the season (about the 19th september from what I hear along the grapevine)

[Voice(s)]

If he gets a training camp contract, then we should look elsewhere. We should know that by the end of summer league games, I think?

Pretty much, I think the summer league stuff finishes in late July and training camps usually start in early September so it would probably be anytime between those two times. The hassle with waiting on him is that he might decide to hang around in the US after the summer league games in the hope of landing a workout which could lead to a contract.

Another issue is getting a contract doesn't really mean shit because they can still cut you at any point. One only has to look at former Breakers import Rich Melzer a couple of years ago who got a 2 year contract (probably 1 year + team option) and was cut during the pre-season.

[sixers33]

Paora Winitana has signed with the 36ers according to The Advertiser

[grindog]

Paora Winitana has signed with the 36ers according to The Advertiser

Strange signing I think. Would have thought we would have been going for more of a power forward rather than a guard.
Ninnis seems pretty happy with him though.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23737966-5006371,00.html

[grindog]

You're forgetting that courtesy of the magical vagaries of the points system, Newley is a 9 (both at his last NBL rating and by virtue of his Euro experience), making the remaining 10 points extra handy.

Further on this, with Schensh last playing in Europe, should he not be a 9 point player as well?

[curious]

No.
He has had NBA experience and is therefore a 10.

[Voice(s)]

Winitana, WTF? Not a bad back up PF/C that one. :roll:

[DICKO]

They couldn't find a PF/C that they had even the slightest interest in.

Word was that thy just wanted to get the best player they could get for the points and the money......We are talking about effectively the 10th man here.

[Skindog the Hawk]

They couldn't find a PF/C that they had even the slightest interest in.

Word was that thy just wanted to get the best player they could get for the points and the money......We are talking about effectively the 10th man here.
When you're talking bang-for-buck, Winitana seems like a good choice...'cept he won't play Sundays ;)

[fahootie]

They couldn't find a PF/C that they had even the slightest interest in.

Word was that thy just wanted to get the best player they could get for the points and the money......We are talking about effectively the 10th man here.
When you're talking bang-for-buck, Winitana seems like a good choice...'cept he won't play Sundays ;)


none at all?

[AngusH]

When you're talking bang-for-buck, Winitana seems like a good choice...'cept he won't play Sundays ;)

Why? Jewish?

He should be getting 6/7ths of his salary.

[Poida]

Mormon.

[Voice(s)]

I think Dodman or hell even Dench would've been a much wiser pickup than Winitana. I still have no idea why Hill was signed, that's a 10th man right there.

I thought Winitana sorted out that no ball on sunday's stuff?

[Da Houndawg #55]

When you're talking bang-for-buck, Winitana seems like a good choice...'cept he won't play Sundays ;)

Why? Jewish?

He should be getting 6/7ths of his salary.
The hebrew Sabbath is on Saturday, I believe.

[sixers33]

A potential lineup

C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/Hobba or Dodman or college player
F Holmes/Hill
G Hodge/Maher/Winitana
G Davidson/Kersten
Dev: Hoban (pf), Zorich (guard)

Remember, 36ers still have 5 points and could have an 11 man lineup, making Winitana's signing a good one which would increase the depth if Maher got injured, especially since Kersten is still young and inexperienced.

I wonder if Kersten could be a development player, and the 36ers resign Dench?
which would make..

C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/Dench
F Holmes/Hill
G Hodge/Winitana
G Davidson/Maher
dev: kersten (pg)/hoban (pf)

An 11 man lineup plus a development player like hoban who is playing very well at the moment in the aba would certainly give the 36ers depth, especially if Maher gets injured.

[boz_novocastrian]

would kerstyn be the 36ers yap for 2008-09

[Voice(s)]

You'd hope with the signing of Winitana that they have designs on making Kersten a DP and moving Maher to back-uP PG. I haven't come across anything like that but I was under the impression Kersten came back to Adelaide in the hope of getting more playing time than what he was getting as a DP with the Breakers. A bench of Kersten/Maher/Hill/Winitana/Cooper = not good.

It's so depressing I could even handle Dawg's boy Oakley being signed (despite the annual plea).

[bigdog]

Winitana is a talent capable of starting in this league. Athletic, smart, tough tough defender, attitude.

Paid the price in two NBL seasons sitting behind a log jam of 2 and threes. IMO a great signing.

[Poida]

Good bloke aswell, as anyone who was at the Boomers vs Tall Blacks game last year, at the Fonebox, can remember :)

[Skindog the Hawk]

Good bloke aswell, as anyone who was at the Boomers vs Tall Blacks game last year, at the Fonebox, can remember :)
Kewl - sings the national anthem, comes off the bench for 10 minutes a game, and then hits a Hail Moroni to win it... :lol:

[BlowJoggs]

I still don't get the Sundays thing. What if you make him a vital rotation player and Game 5 of the Grand Final series happens to fall on a Sunday?

[Voice(s)]

Not a problem. We'll just slot the flying spaghetti monster in!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster

[isaac]

Are we in such a need of a back-up PF when Cooper and Holmes can slide across to play that spot? A SG/SF import and Hill as well as Winitana can play a few minutes at SF anyway. You'd think they'll get a back-up PF in a development spot too.

[Da Houndawg #55]

I'd rather have another 4.

It means that if we have to bench Ballinger we're either going to be small or we're going to be stiff with 2 centres.

I still think Kane Oakley would be an interest option, can play 4, can play 3 if we want to go big with Holmes resting, gives you options. Don't know why Voice is against him... and the "annual plea" only took place on one other occasion - last year, when he was a bargain bin 5 points that slipped under everyone's radar. There's players out there rated more who I wouldn't want for 5 points...

[Voice(s)]

It was only a light hearted jab, I thought this was the third straight year you had done it. I'm not against Kane Oakley as such. I was actually a little surprised Cairns never re-signed him. I don't think he's a legit 3 or 4 at NBL level but is/would be a relatively handy bench player. Like I said I'd prefer Oakley over Winitana any day of the week especially for this team. This signing just doesn't make any sense.

Anyone know the score on the sundays bizzo? I thought he sorted that out when he and the Breakers parted ways last time?

[Da Houndawg #55]

I'd say he's a legit 4 if Daniel Egan is. Around that level, bit more range to his jumper, little bit lighter on the glass and with size. When he's playing IN THIS STATE at the moment, is at a bargain bin points price it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to not be seriously considering him.

[sixers33]

Well.. the 36ers have 5 points left, so they can sign another player as PF and we have two development spots with guys like Hoban playing well. We know have Schenscher who ads alot of height to go with Cooper and Ballinger. Now the 36ers have a true small forward who can also play power forward, the 36ers real problem was firepower. Winitana helps the 36ers with that, and joining an import, davidson, maher and kersten, it certainly helps.

If Hodge signs with an NBA team, i would really like to see Adelaide try and sign Newley because he would fit in very well :)

[madskree]

There's a nice article here about Hodge:

http://www.charlotte.com/sports_breaking/story/635304.html

It looks like he enjoyed his time here, but would really prefer not to come back.

[Voice(s)]

I'd say he's a legit 4 if Daniel Egan is. Around that level, bit more range to his jumper, little bit lighter on the glass and with size. When he's playing IN THIS STATE at the moment, is at a bargain bin points price it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to not be seriously considering him.

I know he's a PF but his game is really more suited to being a SF. That's why I could've handled him even being signed over Winitana because depsite all he lacks in say a back-up PF/C role he still has the height for it so you can get away with it when playing limited minutes.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Takes muchos cajones to give your kid the middle name "Supreme", that and a pro basketballer father good luck keeping that kid from getting a big head... :lol:

[Da Houndawg #55]

[quote="Da Houndawg #55":9qgwc90m]I'd say he's a legit 4 if Daniel Egan is. Around that level, bit more range to his jumper, little bit lighter on the glass and with size. When he's playing IN THIS STATE at the moment, is at a bargain bin points price it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to not be seriously considering him.

I know he's a PF but his game is really more suited to being a SF. That's why I could've handled him even being signed over Winitana because depsite all he lacks in say a back-up PF/C role he still has the height for it so you can get away with it when playing limited minutes.[/quote:9qgwc90m]
Says the guy who says that the Bulls should draft Beasley... :wink:

[sixers33]

Interesting article from The Advertiser today.

Missing Sunday Matches...
Next season it means he will miss three regular season fixtures with the Sixers – road games at Gold Coast, Brisbane and Singapore.


"I'm very excited and looking forward to catching up with Ryan Kersten and playing with Brett Maher," Winitana said.

Kersten was a team-mate at the Breakers last season and will be again at the 36ers.

"I'll do whatever I can to contribute and make the club successful," Winitana said.

"I'll do my best for the 36ers. The club has been one of the league's most successful franchises and I'm very happy to be a part of it.

...More (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23746845-5006371,00.html)


If we know he will be out for 3 games, we better use our 5 points to sign an 11th man :shock:

[boz_novocastrian]

whats the dome called these day. is it the stadium near jarvis ford in the north part of town

[sixers33]

I don't know what the Dome is called know, i think the rights expires.

The stadium is about 20-25 minutes from town and not quite in the direction of Gepps Cross :P

[Voice(s)]

Looks like the Winitana vs Sunday's stoush is far from sorted. Already ruled out for three games next season and I gather any possible playoff games. Not a great signing given our needs obviously. Putting him in the same sentence with Grabau is also a touch insulting to Grabau.

[isaac]

Who said the 'Sunday thing' was "solved" or should be? The guy's a committed Mormon and won't change that.

I guess it's easy material for a glass-half empty view, but I don't see it as such a big deal for our 10th man. He doesn't fill the PF role you'd think we'd need, but as I said before, we have that covered in other ways, as well as an opportunity to bring someone like Hoban or Bungey in as a development player. If the alternatives were guys like Hoban and Bungey anyway (who can still come in as development players), what's the difference?

[Voice(s)]

Isaac, I assumed the "Sunday thing" was solved in that wasn't that the reason he and the Breakers parted ways last time only for him to come back after about a year out of the league?

The difference is development players can only play in home games unless they're replacing an injured player.

[sixers33]

36ers aren't intending on signing another player for backup PF? We do have 5 points to work with... Surely having an 11th man can't be bad?
Maybe even Dench if he can re-rate to a 5.

[Da Houndawg #55]

There is no way in hell I'd give Dench a second contract over Kane Oakley.

[grindog]

The difference is development players can only play in home games unless they're replacing an injured player.

Player doesn't have to be injured. Just unavailable.

[isaac]

And injury is the main reason we might need help at PF.

Voice(s) - there's the trouble - that assumption re Winitana. Not the case. As was said in the media, Ninnis went for what he believed to be the best player available at the time given (salary and points) constraints.

[Voice(s)]

And injury is the main reason we might need help at PF.

Voice(s) - there's the trouble - that assumption re Winitana. Not the case. As was said in the media, Ninnis went for what he believed to be the best player available at the time given (salary and points) constraints.

Alright well spit it out then? Aside from that you're comfortbale with the fact he's missing three games already next season (excluding the playoffs)?

I know why Ninnis said he signed Winitana. He's not a good enough player at NBL level to warrant being signed given the needs of our team. I'm hardly alone on that one.

[isaac]

It didn't bother me too much when he missed Sunday games for the Breakers last season.

I don't know if I'd pick him as a core player, but there's not a whole lot out there and I think he'll be alright as a tenth man. We're not doing it at the expense of local talent (already got SA guys in the team) or youth (we've brought in Kersten, Hill, Holmes and Schenscher that fill both bills).

What are your proposed alternatives? What names typically come up? Oakley? Vasiljevic? Kingma, etc?

[Voice(s)]

So why did he and the Breakers part ways last time?

I don't know about you but the Sixers can and should've done better than Winitana as the back up PF. The fact he's going to miss games next season is a far smaller issue compared to the fact he never should've been signed in the first place.

You prefer Winitana (despite our needs) over say like someone I proposed in Pero or Houndawg proposes in Oakley?

[paul]

Winitana isnt there as a back up power forward, he will be a defensive presence at the 2-3 spot when needed. WIth Cooper, Luke, Balls and Holmes as a small option, the 4 and 5 spots are covered.

[sixers33]

Why can't we get Pero or Kane? *5 points still*

[Voice(s)]

Because the last spot on the roster is reserved for an import. The only way we could possibly sign another player is by moving Kersten down to a DP spot, which I don't think they have any intention of doing.

[isaac]

So why did he and the Breakers part ways last time?

I don't know about you but the Sixers can and should've done better than Winitana as the back up PF. The fact he's going to miss games next season is a far smaller issue compared to the fact he never should've been signed in the first place.

You prefer Winitana (despite our needs) over say like someone I proposed in Pero or Houndawg proposes in Oakley?

"Should've done better" and you propose Pero (bit of a gamble) and Oakley (hasn't had a run in the league for a while)? I don't think any really stands out over the others. For all we know, Pero won't play for Ninnis or Oakley doesn't want to leave an existing job, or something similar?

As I've said (and Paul too) our needs aren't necessarily for a back-up PF although a typical roster depth chart might suggest that. Cooper and Schenscher (if both perform well) will demand more than 48 minutes between them. A SG/SF import can steal some time from Holmes and let him back up Ballinger.

I was assuming they'd take Hoban, Dodman or Bungey in that spot. They can get Winitana and still take Hoban, for example. That's a 10th man spot - not a huge issue.

Not sure why they haven't retained him in NZ, but the Breakers may have to add the equivalent of a YAP which would probably prevent Winitana staying with the team after they let Kersten come to Adelaide to get more minutes.

[sixers33]

Make Kersten a dev and sign Gibson!

C Schenscher/Cooper
F Ballinger/Winitana (playing as a guard :P )
F Holmes/Hill
G Import/Maher
G Davidson/Gibson

Dev: Kersten | Hoban

[Voice(s)]

"Should've done better" and you propose Pero (bit of a gamble) and Oakley (hasn't had a run in the league for a while)? I don't think any really stands out over the others. For all we know, Pero won't play for Ninnis or Oakley doesn't want to leave an existing job, or something similar?

As I've said (and Paul too) our needs aren't necessarily for a back-up PF although a typical roster depth chart might suggest that. Cooper and Schenscher (if both perform well) will demand more than 48 minutes between them. A SG/SF import can steal some time from Holmes and let him back up Ballinger.

I was assuming they'd take Hoban, Dodman or Bungey in that spot. They can get Winitana and still take Hoban, for example. That's a 10th man spot - not a huge issue.

Not sure why they haven't retained him in NZ, but the Breakers may have to add the equivalent of a YAP which would probably prevent Winitana staying with the team after they let Kersten come to Adelaide to get more minutes.

Alright this is just about done. You know I don't know the internal machinations but on the face of it Pero/Oakley/any half compotent 6-9+ bloke would've been a more logical signing. I know our "needs" are not specifically set to a PF but considering Winitana is hardly a gun it makes a bit more sense. Why rob peter to pay paul when you don't have to?

I thought Dodman was in with a shot considering as I understand it he can't be a DP anymore but thats gone now. They can sign who they like as DP's bottom line is they can only play home games and if you're seriously relying on or expecting anything out of a DP player you're in trouble.

I wasn't talking about why the Breakers let Winitana go this time round but 2-3 years ago. I'm sure I read something about it being due to a disagreement over the Sunday's thing hence why I assumed that when he signed with the Breakers again it was "sorted".

[Da Houndawg #55]

Petrie and Gibson could have come in handy...

Would have been interesting if we held out a bit on Winitana. Still... Hindsight is 20/20...

[DICKO]

Petrie and Gibson could have come in handy...

Would have been interesting if we held out a bit on Winitana. Still... Hindsight is 20/20...

Yes....you can't win as an NBL coach.

If you leave roster spots open, people will complain that you're not doing eneough recruiting and not prepared enough for the season.

If you sign up your team early and get on with it, you run the risk of not being able to jump on opportunties like this.

As you said....Hindsight is 20/20

Sixers fans should be pretty happy with the roster that Ninnis has put together though, IMHO.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Personally I wouldn't have picked up Winitana in the first place. But I still wouldn't have the roster slot spare for Petrie regardless because I'd have gone after Kane Oakley and raised the issue with the NBL to see if his points rating could be dropped claiming that his high points value kept him out of the league the previous year...

Petrie's a real nice young pick though and I'd be split as to who I'd take of the two of them...

[isaac]

...on the face of it Pero/Oakley/any half compotent 6-9+ bloke would've been a more logical signing.We can assume that, but neither of us have the inside word on coaching Pero (for example) and know whether he'd be worth taking on.

[Da Houndawg #55]

...on the face of it Pero/Oakley/any half compotent 6-9+ bloke would've been a more logical signing.We can assume that, but neither of us have the inside word on coaching Pero (for example) and know whether he'd be worth taking on.
With that particular player example, I do... :wink:

[Judge_Dredd]

Latest on Julius Hodge

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06122008/sports/nets/julius_hodge_trying_again_with_nets_115225.htm

[DDFan]

Got the latest 36er Newsletter today. Very positive indeed.

[Voice(s)]

I'm "curious" as to whether the Sixers are interested in re-signing Mottram now that the Kings are officially gone for this season? At the very least it would allow them to rectify the Winitana mistake by say moving Kersten down to a DP position from the bench and thus Maher/Hill as the back-up guards, Winitana to SF and Cooper to PF.

Davidson/Maher
Import/Hill
Holmes/Winitana
Ballinger/Cooper
Schenscher/Mottram?

DP's: Kersten/?

[Da Houndawg #55]

Had an idea that one of the key parts of us recruiting Kersten was that he wouldn't be a DP and would hold a regular roster spot.

[Voice(s)]

Yeah I know but still. I was never that comfortable with Kersten being our back-up PG in the first place from what I know of him and what I've seen of him. He was a DP with the Breakers last season and I think it would be more beneficial to a) let him continue learning the ropes as a DP for one more year, b) having Maher as our back-up PG who can still handle a large slice of the offence when needed to and c) allowing us to squeeze one more big body in to the ten that I think we're going to really need.

[angry ant]

Pre-Season Training Squad
Brett Maher, Brad Davidson, Luke Schenscher, David Cooper, Adam Ballinger, Brad Hill, Jacob Holmes, Ryan Kersten, Paora Winitana, Peter Hoban (Forestville Eagles), Brad Gerlach (Forestville Eagles), Erik Burdon (North Adelaide Rockets), Josh Wood (Southern Tigers), Trent Fildes (Forestville Eagles), Anthony Spadavecchia (West Adelaide Bearcats).

Coaches: Scott Ninnis, Richard Hill (assistant), Liam Flynn (assistant).

[DDFan]

I rocked up to check out the training today & was given permission by front office to see the players "for a sec". I turned it down.

[angry ant]

Stricken pair back for Sixers
ADELAIDE 36ers' veteran Brett Maher and star recruit Luke Schenscher have overcome injuries and will be ready to produce their best when the 2008-09 NBL campaign starts on September 13.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23997059-5006371,00.html

[DDFan]

Anyone know when official training starts?
I'd like to think that it'd be open to our fanbase.
That'd save a whole lotta grief on our local forum.
Lessons could be learnt from last season (like fans rocking up & being informed).

[isaac]

The Adelaide 36ers will begin their first official pre-season team training under new Head Coach, Scott Ninnis, on Monday July 14th 2008 at the Distinctive Homes Dome at 9.00am.

[DDFan]

The Adelaide 36ers will begin their first official pre-season team training under new Head Coach, Scott Ninnis, on Monday July 14th 2008 at the Distinctive Homes Dome at 9.00am.
Thanks for that Isaac.
I enthusiastically checked out the Adelaide 36ers site for more details, but found out the hard way that Monday (14th of July '08) was for media only.
Do you think operations management could've made it clearer to your site, so that fans wouldn't be turned away by the Operations Manager on the day?
BTW, the Operations Manager said, "It was Scottie's decision".
To keep the NBL viable, I've footed the bill for my season ticket, to have it available for visiting guests.
At this stage, I'm not seeing much value in attending the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

[sixers33]

Seriously.. Does everything need to be scrutinsed.. Last time i checked, 36ers are surviving unlike some. The 36ers site would be the most updated and useful along with http://www.wollongonghawks.com.au/.

[isaac]

Thanks for that Isaac.
I enthusiastically checked out the Adelaide 36ers site for more details, but found out the hard way that Monday (14th of July '08) was for media only.
Do you think operations management could've made it clearer to your site, so that fans wouldn't be turned away by the Operations Manager on the day?
BTW, the Operations Manager said, "It was Scottie's decision".
To keep the NBL viable, I've footed the bill for my season ticket, to have it available for visiting guests.
At this stage, I'm not seeing much value in attending the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Roster looks good. Prices are unchanged or close enough to it. Quality teams to play against.

(Last time I checked, the membership brochure talked about including x games per season, not y trainings per season.)

[DDFan]

Chill guys. I'm not criticising the Adelaide 36ers web-site, just the information that was passed on to Triple Zero.

A few questions:
1 .. Are the trainings open to fans?
2 .. Should the Dome be relocated to the West Parklands?
3 .. With regard to the Dome's obscure location, should interested fans who've taken the trouble to drop in, & respectful enquired at the front desk, be turned away?

Get your heads around that. :shock:

To sixers33, if a club surviving at the moment is good enough, then why was the previous management scrutinised.. ?

[sixers33]

Would you rather not survive? :roll:

[DDFan]

Would you rather not survive? :roll:
I'd hoped you were capable of working out what I said before, but here goes. The club survived before under the woeful previous management. Fans were taken for granted & the following dwindled over the years. That wasn't good enough then, & it shouldn't be now. The new breed should've learnt from past mistakes.
BTW, are you a delicate part of management & don't want to hear criticism?

[grindog]

The club survived before under the woeful previous management. Fans were taken for granted & the following dwindled over the years. That wasn't good enough then, & it shouldn't be now. The new breed should've learnt from past mistakes.


What same mistakes are the new breed making then?

[sixers33]

Part of the management? :lol:

[DDFan]

Part of the management? :lol:
I take it that's a no? That's a huge relief, I gotta say.
For a someone who demonstrates an affinity for not using their brain, you ask a lot of questions.

[sixers33]

Part of the management? :lol:
I take it that's a no? That's a huge relief, I gotta say.
For a someone who demonstrates an affinity for not using their brain, you ask a lot of questions.

Do you think you could finish Accounting at Adelaide University? I don't believe so.

Just because i don't listen to what you say. Wouldn't you find it hard to listen to some random nutjob? :roll:

[DDFan]

Do you think you could finish Accounting at Adelaide University? I don't believe so.

Just because i don't listen to what you say.
So you've got accounting skills, don't read my posts, & yet pop up when I post.
Wouldn't you find it hard to listen to some random nutjob? :roll:
Not any more sunshine. Bye.

[grindog]

Not any more sunshine. Bye.

Does that mean you wont answer my question then?

[DDFan]

Not any more sunshine. Bye.

Does that mean you wont answer myquestion then?
Which question (singular) would that be then?
Another question for you, the all encompassing accounting megastar that you are. What would be the better fiscal option, tightening up one nut to fix a working machine, or scrap it & outlay for an semi-commercial model?
Of course you know what I'm talking about, because you're in the picture. Right?

[grindog]

Which question (singular) would that be then?

That would be this one....

The club survived before under the woeful previous management. Fans were taken for granted & the following dwindled over the years. That wasn't good enough then, & it shouldn't be now. The new breed should've learnt from past mistakes.


What same mistakes are the new breed making then?

[DDFan]

Not any more sunshine. Bye. *

Does that mean you wont answer my question then?

* note: Addressed to sixers33

[sixers33]

Why should i listen to you? You have nothing intelligent to contribute.

Now.. back on topic. Any rumours about Julius getting picked up? I figure after a few average games he may be in a 36ers singlet this season :)

[DDFan]

Sorry grindog, I got my wires crossed with boofhead (sixers33) before. :oops:
I admit, I've over-reacted to being turned away from the opening training session the other day. I have no beef with the 36ers web-site, & it along with Mr Hemmerling's newsletters & professionalism is very much appreciated. This whole situation could have been avoided if the web-site notification made it clear that the opening training day was for media only.
It's no biggy, I'd venture that it only disadvantaged 1 fan anyway. Trouble is it was the same fan who'd respectfully asked for permission on a prior occasion, only to be given a flippant answer.
Those 2 situations aren't cause for a boil-over, but compound it with the fact that I'd gladly given my time to help the club the previous season (around 20 hours/week for a length of time), the turn away didn't sit well.
I'd also like to make it clear that I totally support Scottie & the crew & wish them the very best.
I hope my post here douses any concerns, & that you can now empathise with my frustration.

[angry ant]

http://nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75516 Luke Schenscher Q&A

[DoubleA]

Are Adelaide still sponsored by ISC? I could swear I saw Ninnis in a 3-strip Adelaide shirt last wek on Fox Sports, but maybe it was a Crows top.

[grindog]

Are Adelaide still sponsored by ISC? I could swear I saw Ninnis in a 3-strip Adelaide shirt last wek on Fox Sports, but maybe it was a Crows top.

Nope, Adidas are the uniform sponsor now. I think ISC pulled the plug on all NBL clubs didnt they?

[angry ant]

Mottram will do full time study at uni until christmas and then look for a new team, in the meanwhile will train with the 36ers to stay in shape.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24063757-10914,00.html

[DDFan]

Interesting that Motts' appeal for points concessions (so that he could find work, not stack a team) was knocked back by the the NBL. I gather the powers that be thought it better for him to sit out the year so as to project their hard-line image of their farcical level playing field.
Great bloke, been through plenty & I would've loved to see things work out for the guy. But it IS the NBL. *** shakes head ***
Before anyone jumps up & down that the 36ers roster hasn't got room for him, I wasn't implying that he be slipped into our line-up.
A minor plus (for me), is that he's back in Adelaide.

[Julian]

Interesting that Motts' appeal for points concessions (so that he could find work, not stack a team) was knocked back by the the NBL.
Yet watch how the league will allow Seamus to somehow slip in another ten-point player.

[isaac]

Mottram, at 7 points, is rated too high as well and should've been allowed a re-rating. Not sure how many teams would be in need of him though at this point (the 36ers seemingly passed on him to sign Winitana) - most have their big guys sorted (although Cairns only just recently re-signed Smith). If Singapore hadn't taken on Sam Harris, Mottram would've been a better pick up for them.

Wasn't Dench Melbourne's only recent, notorious re-rating (Tucker was a different loophole) and the re-rating turned out to be quite reasonable in the end?

I'd be interested to know exactly how far Mottram's points would have to reduce for him to get a gig and which teams would need him?

[DoubleA]

Are Adelaide still sponsored by ISC? I could swear I saw Ninnis in a 3-strip Adelaide shirt last wek on Fox Sports, but maybe it was a Crows top.

Nope, Adidas are the uniform sponsor now. I think ISC pulled the plug on all NBL clubs didnt they?

Wow, thats awesome good work 36ers.

[DDFan]

Mottram, at 7 points, is rated too high as well and should've been allowed a re-rating.Phil cocked up even more by your reasoning in signing him in last season at that rating, or have Motts' points been dropped since?Not sure how many teams would be in need of him though at this point (the 36ers seemingly passed on him to sign Winitana)Motts was set free long before the signing of Winny.Wasn't Dench Melbourne's only recent, notorious re-rating (Tucker was a different loophole) and the re-rating turned out to be quite reasonable in the end?Corletto (not so much a re-rating), Lampley (not so much a re-rating), but wouldn't you need a Stiff & a shafting to expand a family? Maybe I'm confused with the IVFL. Stay tuned.

[isaac]

Mottram, at 7 points, is rated too high as well and should've been allowed a re-rating.Phil cocked up even more by your reasoning in signing him in last season at that rating, or have Motts' points been dropped since?
Not necessarily true. Mottram's rating is high partly because of his contribution per minute. What the statistical method may not quite take into account is that often his time on court was limited through foul trouble.

[36ers]

Any idea as to what Darren Ng is doing now...?

[Voice(s)]

I'd assume he'd continue playing those 15 "exhibition" games outside of the NBL with the Slingers?

[isaac]

Adelaide 36ers Pre-Season Schedule:
http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/419/

August 5th - 9th Riverland
Pre-season training / Intersquad game (Gold v Blue) Thursday August 7th @ 7.00pm

August 20th Adelaide (Wednesday)
36ers v Melbourne Tigers @ Distinctive Homes Dome
Tip off 7.00pm

August 22nd Whyalla (Friday)
36ers v Melbourne Tigers @ Whyalla Basketball Stadium
Tip off 7.30pm

August 26th - 29th Port Lincoln
Pre-season training / 36ers v Wollongong Hawks Thursday August 28th @ 8.00pm

August 30th Adelaide (Saturday)
36ers v Wollongong Hawks @ Pasadena Sports Centre
Tip off 7.30pm

September 6th Melbourne (Saturday)
36ers v South Dragons @ Knox Basketball Stadium
Tip off TBC
Local venues in bold.

[DDFan]

Are those trainings open to the public? :twisted:










Just kidd'n. :wink:

[grindog]

Strong Rumour in Adelaide right now is Hodge is a no go but that the Sixers have signed Aaron Bruce.

Expect an announcement by Friday.

[Voice(s)]

No shit? That could work. I saw that news report that said Hodge was basically gone after being invited to the Nets training camp. I gather we would only be running with the one import then? Bring Maher back into the starting line-up and use Davidson off of the bench. Still would like to see Kersten made a DP and strengthing the bigs with Mottram.

[cammo]

There was a report in the Herald Sun today (link anybody?) that claimed Hodge would sign with the Tigers should he not make the NBA. *vomit*

[angry ant]

There was a report in the Herald Sun today (link anybody?) that claimed Hodge would sign with the Tigers should he not make the NBA. *vomit*
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24104435-11088,00.html

[grindog]

No shit? That could work. I saw that news report that said Hodge was basically gone after being invited to the Nets training camp. I gather we would only be running with the one import then? Bring Maher back into the starting line-up and use Davidson off of the bench. Still would like to see Kersten made a DP and strengthing the bigs with Mottram.

No, the club also plan to announce a 2nd import in the not too distance future, Which would put a lot of pressure on Winitana.
Signing Bruce would only leave the club with 7 points up its sleeve.

[isaac]

Winitana is a 4, Bruce probably a 3. I swear at one point we had room for an import and still 9 points spare?

[jonno]

Yea im pretty sure prior to Winitana signing we had 19 points, winitana being a 4 means we should now have 15 points which with Bruce coming in as a 3 leaves us with 12 points by my calculations, which is enough to sign any import, and we would have an 11 man roster, so probably one of Hill, Winitana or Kersten would be used as the 11th man and not suit for most games, is Kersten elligable to be listed as Development player so that he can say just suit for the home games and fill in for injuries, with Bruce playing the same position as him that would be what i would try to do. anyways if we get Bruce and a decent import we should have the strongest team we have had for a few years, with quite a few young players which is good for building a core group for the future.

[grindog]

Winitana is a 4, Bruce probably a 3. I swear at one point we had room for an import and still 9 points spare?

Your are right, add an import we are still left with 2 points. My mistake. had it in my head we only had 10 left. Well, that really puts presure on Winitana, Hill and Kersten, which is great IMO. Keeps everyone on their toes.

Maher 5
Davidson 6
Kersten 1
Ballinger 10
Holmes 8
Cooper 7
Schenscher 10
Hill 2
Winitana 4
Bruce 3
Import 10

[DDFan]

The 12th spot looks to be volatile. From what's been said (here?), Ezi's injured, & the Academy guys've been showing up.
This could get ugly, or am I over-complicating things?

[paul]

A good three man import and Aaron Bruce puts the Sixers right up in the top echelon, I feel. Depth, size, athleticism, shooters, flexibility (can go tall or short and most positions).

How are the club’s finances. I know the troubles that led to their sale were mostly caused by BASA, but the small crowds at the start of last year may have stretched the budget. Are they sound?

[isaac]

I don't believe Burdon is injured? Played last weekend I think.

12th spot surely has to go to Hoban after his quality ABL season.

[jonno]

Does anyone know anything about who the import may be??? are the a 6'6ish versatile guard/fwd like Hodge???

[grindog]

We are looking really deep now, especially once we add our Import. We would have 7 or 8 guys that I could see being starters. Without a doubt, we must be looking for an import forward now.

[DDFan]

I don't believe Burdon is injured? Played last weekend I think.

Must've been in the Addy. They mentioned all players were at practices except Paora who is still to arrive. Balls & Ezi through injury.

[lukus13]

Any word on the sixers' second import?

Rumour on hoops.com.au that SEABL player Chuck Long is being considered.

Anyone in the know on this? He'd be a very handy pick up if it's true.

[grindog]

From what I hear, announcement likely Wednesday, It aint Long though.

[grindog]

Can't beleive we kick off our preseason next Wednesday. It has come around very quickly. With neither us or the Tigers being at full strength, how do people feel the teams will line up.

Sixers
Schenscher / Cooper
Ballinger / Holmes
Holmes / Winitana
Maher / Hill
Davidson / Kersten
Plus a few development guys?
Bruce is due to play his first game a couple of days later in Whyalla. No 2nd import you would think. How is everyone elses fitness?


Tigers
Johnson (is he still injured?) / Sturt
Hoare /Greer
Mackinnon?? /Grizzard
Grizzrad / O'Hea
Corletto / Westover

Obviously no Anstey or Barlow. Doubt they will have a 2nd import by next week.

[DDFan]

Can't beleive we kick off our preseason next Wednesday. It has come around very quickly. With neither us or the Tigers being at full strength, how do people feel the teams will line up.

Sixers
Schenscher / Cooper
Ballinger / Holmes
Holmes / Winitana
Maher / Hill
Davidson / Kersten
Plus a few development guys?
Bruce is due to play his first game a couple of days later in Whyalla. No 2nd import you would think. How is everyone elses fitness?


Tigers
Johnson (is he still injured?) / Sturt
Hoare /Greer
Mackinnon?? /Grizzard
Grizzrad / O'Hea
Corletto / Westover

Obviously no Anstey or Barlow. Doubt they will have a 2nd import by next week.
The Tigers are stacked, we'll be humiliated.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Can't beleive we kick off our preseason next Wednesday. It has come around very quickly. With neither us or the Tigers being at full strength, how do people feel the teams will line up.

Sixers
Schenscher / Cooper
Ballinger / Holmes
Holmes / Winitana
Maher / Hill
Davidson / Kersten
Plus a few development guys?
Bruce is due to play his first game a couple of days later in Whyalla. No 2nd import you would think. How is everyone elses fitness?


Tigers
Johnson (is he still injured?) / Sturt
Hoare /Greer
Mackinnon?? /Grizzard
Grizzrad / O'Hea
Corletto / Westover

Obviously no Anstey or Barlow. Doubt they will have a 2nd import by next week.
The Tigers are stacked, we'll be humiliated.
Was that sarcasm?

With no Anstey or Barlow its a nice little test to get our guys used to game situations alongside one another.

[DDFan]

The Tigers are stacked, we'll be humiliated.
Was that sarcasm?
You ask? :P
With no Anstey or Barlow its a nice little test to get our guys used to game situations alongside one another.
Yeh, look who're making the trip over. We're not being taken seriously, & it's as indicative of our season as the Boomer v US pre-Olympic joke. Harsh maybe.

[grindog]

Boti reports in todays tiser that the sixers will announce the signing of Mark Tyndale today.

He is a 6'5" SG/SF who is know to be a fastastic defender and likely to fill all the stat columns in most games.

Here are his college stats...
http://www.nba.com/draft2008/profiles/MarkTyndale.html

[Da Houndawg #55]

Pretty damn happy with that pick-up. Looks like another well rounded pick-up who'll hit the boards well (its like we said "We'd like another Julius Hodge rounded guy?" to the hed of the NCAA and he brought out Tyndale, heh.) finishes strong around the basket, as Grindog said he is a damn good defender as well.

If I had to describe him to NBL fans I'd say Dave Thomas but a bit less on the glass.

Very happy with the pick-up. Hell, if he didn't play at Temple I'd suggest we may not have been able to get him because he'd get drafted...

[grindog]

On nbl.com.au now

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75657

Im pleased he will be in town next week and expected to play some minutes in Whyalla.

[DDFan]

Massively good news. The only regret I have, is that Erik "The Animal" may miss out.
Any inside on who'll be the 12th man?

[isaac]

Probably Hoban.

[Voice(s)]

Would've preferred a big but this makes the signing of Winitana look even more idiotic. At least we got Bruce now that was a very good pick up.

[isaac]

Saw someone mention on Hoops that Winitana played very well in Renmark. I wouldn't write him off.

The import could share minutes with Holmes and leave him to back up Ballinger. I think they have the frontcourt pretty well covered because of that.

If one of Cooper or Schenscher is injured, they may be able to bring Mottram in temporarily?

[Voice(s)]

I know Winitana is a nice player seen plenty of him over the years but for the way our team is constructed I didn't think we needed him and less so now. That's just it if Schenscher goes down and he has been struggling with injuries for awhile now we're exposed. Cooper is no starting centre and then we have to bring in a Mottram type just to get by. One more half capable big would've rounded out the team nicely, now we're just too guard and small forward happy for my liking but still Ninnis wants to run and I don't think he'll have much choice about it now.

[isaac]

Before they locked up the import, who was going to defend Barlow/Groves/Ingles-types? They needed someone with speed, size and strength for that. Maher and Holmes probably lacked speed, while Davidson lacked size. Hill wasn't going to do it.

Besides Mottram, who could they have grabbed to help at C? Who was available at that time?

[Voice(s)]

Come on it's not like Winitana would've spent much time on any of those guys either. At best he was coming off the bench. Holmes would've sufficed for my liking.

I wasn't implying the Sixers had to sign a centre or a player currently floating around the NBL. There's plenty of NBL bench standard big guys out there. Like I said at the time I would've even preferred Dawg's boy Kane Oakley, a Dench or even a Dodman. But with this second import spot they could've even used it on an import hanging around in the ABL, other leagues etc.

Anyway now that we have this new import we have even less need for Winitana than we previously did. Hopefully Schenscher doesn't have any ideas about getting injured again.

[isaac]

Winitana was, in their opinion, the best pick-up at the time (drafting on talent, not on position) and I think he'll be useful. Easy to review decisions with some hindsight after players have been picked up and released by dying clubs. Your list of Dodman, Dench and Oakley are hardly great arguments against Winitana.

I think it's clear that Ninnis specifically did not retain Dodman or Dench for whatever reason and has presumably included Oakley's teammate (Hoban).

FWIW:
Oakley: 16.6 PPG (46%) and 10.8 RPG (can hit the three too)
vs
Hoban: 15.9 PPG (51%) and 12.3 RPG (in fewer minutes, plus is a younger prospect)

Essentially, what they've probably been able to do (assuming Hoban's in the squad) is add that young big with potential (as a development player) and still grab Winitana.

Can appreciate concerns over Schenscher (and I think it could be an issue if either of Luke or Coops get injured or both get into foul trouble in a given game), but bringing in a PF/C import means you then definitely need Winitana as a hustler at SG/SF. Getting another PF import when we already have Ballinger and Holmes would be overkill too.

I think a number of teams are looking for mobility in the paint and more of a running game rather than overloading on centres. Schensch and Coops, plus two top-tier rebounders in Ballinger and Holmes is should be good for that.

[Da Houndawg #55]

With a Tyndale coming in I'd have far preferred Oakley-Hoban to Winitana-Hoban.

Hoban isn't a guy who I have any problems with and I agree wholeheartedly with the potential, but Kane Oakley has the experience behind his belt at this level and I'd be fine with him holding his own from day dot.

Even without the import, Winitana would be a guy who I'd have to juggle things to get him minutes. Oakley meanwhile would be a bargain bin guy with experience who could act as insurance for if we get a big guy hurt, who you KNOW what he's going to be able to give you and will do so on the regular.

Winitana is a bigger ? to me whilst simultaneously being a guy who we have to find time for. Whilst stil trying to keep Holmes and an import happy... otherwise we're paying the guy to train.

Hoban I have some faith in but I'm still a a tad weary because, to me, young big men are frequently a question mark. Truslove, Dodman, Harris, Cameron big guys can be a bit of a crap shoot because the ABA is a lower league and some sizeable guys can take advantage of the lack of quality big men. Makes you wonder sometimes how they'll perform at the next level, even on the odd occasion when the get a quality big man match-up, all they need is a step and the help D isn't as big or athletic as they'd see at the next level.

[grindog]

Possible centres
Schenscher, Cooper, Ballinger (on smaller line up)
Possible Power Forwards
Ballinger, Holmes, Cooper, Hoban
Possible Small Forwards
Holmes, Tyndale, Winitana, Hill
Possible Shooting Guards
Maher, Hill, Tyndale, Winitana, Bruce
Possible Point Guards
Bruce, Davidson, Kersten, Maher

Think we are well and truly covered in all posistions as long is it is a big we go for with that 12th spot.

[kc4mvp]

Will Phil come back if this team doesn't perform?

[DDFan]

One thing at a time, sunshine.

[isaac]

A couple of 36ers were last night involved in one of the most amazing finishes to a basketball game I've ever seen - the Central ABL Grand Final at the Dome. David Cooper was on court for the Norwood Flames (coached by Rupert Sapwell), while the Forestville Eagles had development player Peter Hoban, as well as ex-Taipan (and BFF of Houndawg) Kane Oakley and Matt Sutton.

Norwood had set the pace for much of the game, leading by 5-10 points for the first three quarters before Forestville reeled them in during the fourth.

With just seconds left and scores level, Hoban drove and scored for a chance at an and-1. Score was 88-86, Forestville up. With 3.5 seconds left, he lined up for the free throw. To win, and having no time outs to draw a play or advance the ball, Norwood needed to get the contested board, escape the pack of players, move it up the court and hit a pressured shot. No chance, surely. I thought they'd lose most of the time trying to get the rebound away.

Hoban missed (a largely forgettable night from him statistically, but he was up against probably the toughest frontcourt in the CABL - Cooper, Keith Krause and Dan Thompson) and Cooper grabbed the rebound. He paused (for too long, I began to wonder what he was doing), came to his senses and flung the ball down to Andrew Webber at around the half-way line. Webber heaved up a prayer over two rushing defenders. The buzzer sounded while the ball was in flight. It banked in. Norwood fans rushed the court, Sap leapt out of his seat and Forestville, who'd been celebrating just moments before, sat dejected on the bench.

Norwood won 89-88 and Webber was game MVP with 20/5/5.

[Da Houndawg #55]

A couple of 36ers were last night involved in one of the most amazing finishes to a basketball game I've ever seen - the Central ABL Grand Final at the Dome. David Cooper was on court for the Norwood Flames (coached by Rupert Sapwell), while the Forestville Eagles had development player Peter Hoban, as well as ex-Taipan (and BFF of Houndawg) Kane Oakley and Matt Sutton.
Heh. I think you're higher on Hoban than I am on Oakley...

[DDFan]

Not that there's anything wrong with that guys.

[isaac]

Don't forget Adelaide vs Melbourne on Wednesday night at the Dome. $10 tickets and free parking:
http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/426/

Tickets available at the door from 5:30pm on the night.

(BTW, video of the final seconds of Norwood vs Forestville: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFxoSVTUiMo)

[DDFan]

Don't forget Adelaide vs Melbourne on Wednesday night at the Dome. $10 tickets and free parking:
http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/426/That's right tell the world that there's a $10 game on, I'll be carting the interstate OzHos from dawn to dusk in my humble sedan.
A personal plea to you interstaters that are about to jump at Isaac's well meaning sprout. PLEASE get an early flight.

[grindog]

As mentioned in yesterdays 'tiser, New import Mark Tynsdale will be delayed getting here now until next week after being asked to train with the Miami Heat for a few days. Mixed thoughts on this one.
Good - As Miami obviously rate him, which makes me more confident that the club have picked up a great import.
Bad - What if he impresses and Miami want him longer?
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24196508-5006371,00.html

[Skindog the Hawk]

Don't forget Adelaide vs Melbourne on Wednesday night at the Dome. $10 tickets and free parking:
http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/426/That's right tell the world that there's a $10 game on, I'll be carting the interstate OzHos from dawn to dusk in my humble sedan.
A personal plea to you interstaters that are about to jump at Isaac's well meaning sprout. PLEASE get an early flight.
Sorry to disappoint DD but I shan't be making the trip for this game :?

[DDFan]

Don't forget Adelaide vs Melbourne on Wednesday night at the Dome. $10 tickets and free parking:
http://www.adelaide36ers.com/36ers/media/news/426/That's right tell the world that there's a $10 game on, I'll be carting the interstate OzHos from dawn to dusk in my humble sedan.
A personal plea to you interstaters that are about to jump at Isaac's well meaning sprout. PLEASE get an early flight.
Sorry to disappoint DD but I shan't be making the trip for this game :?
Look forward to catching up during the season then. Cheers mate.

[angry ant]

Boti Nagy video interview with Aaron Bruce (I always thought of Boti as an Asian)

http://publish.vx.roo.com/adelaidenow/anflashvidplayer/index-popup.html?vxChannel=frontPagePicks&vxClipId=1383_367650&bitrate=300&Format=flash

[isaac]

Have you never seen a photo of him? The famed moustache and old school 36ers jacket?

(Nagy is a Hungarian name, BTW.)

[ash_24]

Asian people can't have moustaches? Or jackets?

[isaac]

Well, most struggle with the former - got a photo of Darren Ng in China growing his moustache, saved for blackmailing one day.

[grindog]

Well, most struggle with the former - got a photo of Darren Ng in China growing his moustache, saved for blackmailing one day.

Surely couldn't have been worse than Matt 'Sanchez' Suttons effort during Movember last year?

[DDFan]

(Nagy is a Hungarian name, BTW.)
Did Ulius Hagy change his name by deed poll?

[isaac]

Melbourne 96, Adelaide 92.

My post from Hoops.com.au:Melbourne were missing Anstey, Barlow, Mackinnon and an import. We were missing Bruce, Davidson, Tyndale.

Thought Sturt from Melbourne was quite good and Johnson has some range for his size. Crosswell, Hoare and Greer were good too.

Winitana was the stand-out with 25 or so points - hustled, hit threes, got on the boards - generally won over the crowd I'd say.

Schenscher, Maher and Ballinger all scored in double figures. Ballinger was used sparingly and was his usual self, hitting some great jumpers. Maher came on and off in patches and hasn't lost anything on his shot. Ran off screens all night and hit some good buckets.

Schenscher was a bit loose (a travel in the post, blocked once, etc) but showed good potential. Got to the line, finished a couple of feeds from Holmes. At one point, he and Cooper combined to block a Tiger twice in a row which brought an appreciative cheer from the crowd.

Kersten was good though as EC said, is easy to block when he drives. Hill played his role well. Coops and Holmes too. Burdon got a few minutes.

Bruce, Davidson and Hoban were on the bench.

[paul]

I know pics can be deceptive, and I dont even know for certain if it's Tyndale in the picture, but the photo of the Sixers on the NBL website front page

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75797 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75797)

suggests that there could be a fair case of Pacific Shrink going on. He looks to be about 6'3 standing next to Ninnis who is only 6'2.

[DDFan]

I know pics can be deceptive, and I dont even know for certain if it's Tyndale in the picture, but the photo of the Sixers on the NBL website front page

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75797 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75797)

suggests that there could be a fair case of Pacific Shrink going on. He looks to be about 6'3 standing next to Ninnis who is only 6'2.
I'd appreciate your photographic perspective/angle on that.

[isaac]

Pre-season game reminder: 36ers vs Hawks, this Saturday night at Pasadena. Tip-off is 7.30, doors open from 6.45. Tickets are $10 for adults, $5 for concession and children under 14. Hawks are expected to have their full squad bar Larry Davidson (ankle) and Rhys Martin (ABA finals). Adelaide may again rest Brad Davidson.

It will be the second game between the two teams during the pre-season; they face off in Port Lincoln tonight.

[Voice(s)]

I know pics can be deceptive, and I dont even know for certain if it's Tyndale in the picture, but the photo of the Sixers on the NBL website front page

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75797 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75797)

suggests that there could be a fair case of Pacific Shrink going on. He looks to be about 6'3 standing next to Ninnis who is only 6'2.

Exactly what I thought when I saw that. Plus Winitana is 6-5 I believe.

[Voice(s)]

Pre-season game reminder: 36ers vs Hawks, this Saturday night at Pasadena. Tip-off is 7.30, doors open from 6.45. Tickets are $10 for adults, $5 for concession and children under 14. Hawks are expected to have their full squad bar Larry Davidson (ankle) and Rhys Martin (ABA finals). Adelaide may again rest Brad Davidson.

It will be the second game between the two teams during the pre-season; they face off in Port Lincoln tonight.

Just a couple of things. As someone who has family in Port Lincoln, where are they playing that game at? Been a long time since I last visited but just can't recall a basketball stadium there. Also how come they're playing that second game out at Pasadena and not the Dome?

[isaac]

Perhaps a 'taking it to the streets' campaign? Or maybe the Dome was unavailable?

Not sure re Lincoln - obviously too late now, but your best bet would've been to ring the club.

[grindog]

Also how come they're playing that second game out at Pasadena and not the Dome?

Dome is unavailable as they are installing the new sound system which takes a week or so.

[Voice(s)]

Isaac, I was just curious re: Port Lincoln.

Grindog, thanks.

[isaac]

Sound system installation was scheduled for September 1-15. I like the idea of a game at Pasadena anyway - should be a good atmosphere for a pre-season crowd.

Edit: The Dome is booked on Saturday for the Ultimate Frisbee Indoor Championships of all things.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Go Adelaide Sturt-y Sabres..! :wink:

[Da Houndawg #55]

Love the billboards featuring Brett Maher, Brad Davidson and Julius Hodge as well.

I know the Holbrooks road one didn't go up until after we gave up on Hodge and went for Tyndale...

[isaac]

And speaking of Mark Tyndale, just got the call (and a bonus text) from the Dome saying that he has been cleared to play on Saturday night against the Hawks. Brad Davidson is a chance to suit too.

Glen Saville is likely to play for Wollongong meaning they're only missing Rhys Martin and Larry Davidson.

[fan since the old snakepit]

Any info on last night. Boxscores. Who played etc.

[Bench Warmer]

Pre-season game reminder: 36ers vs Hawks, this Saturday night at Pasadena. Tip-off is 7.30, doors open from 6.45. Tickets are $10 for adults, $5 for concession and children under 14. Hawks are expected to have their full squad bar Larry Davidson (ankle) and Rhys Martin (ABA finals). Adelaide may again rest Brad Davidson.

It will be the second game between the two teams during the pre-season; they face off in Port Lincoln tonight.

Just a couple of things. As someone who has family in Port Lincoln, where are they playing that game at? Been a long time since I last visited but just can't recall a basketball stadium there. Also how come they're playing that second game out at Pasadena and not the Dome?

I didn't know the 36ers were touring California. Good on 'em.

[Stumps]

Have you never seen a photo of him? The famed moustache and old school 36ers jacket?
http://nblbeat.blogspot.com/2008/04/per ... tance.html (http://nblbeat.blogspot.com/2008/04/person-of-substance.html)

[Southern Joe]

Have you never seen a photo of him? The famed moustache and old school 36ers jacket?

(Nagy is a Hungarian name, BTW.)


.. Yep ... nagy actually means big. Boti is a Hungarian name as well. Boti was a surprisingly nice fellow in person. Very knowledgeable & willing to talk NBL both past & present with anyone who goes up & shakes his hand ( or jokingly boos him as I did...hehehe )

[kc4mvp]

Any news on the Adel 36ers and hawks last night

[sixers33]

36ers won by 13 points, Tragardh finishing with 20, Saville 12 and Tyndale 20 points, 8 boards, 5 assists, Schenscher 16 points, 4 blocks (seemed like 6), Paora and Aaron Bruce 12 points. Bruce played only 14 minutes and got a corkie in the second quarter and stayed on the bench for the rest of the game.

[isaac]

My post from Hoops:
Good game and great crowd. The 36ers should run a lot more pre-season games (even if they're intra-team scrimmages) at venues like Pasadena and Wayville to get word out. Could try Starplex too?

Bruce must start. The team built a commanding lead when he was out there (he had 12 points and four assists in just 14 minutes) and then let the Hawks back in when he was off resting the injury.

Schensch was pretty good for 16 points, nine boards and four blocks in under 28 minutes. Still has room to grow into his role, but if he can do anything like that each game, he'll be really useful.

Tyndale played 30 minutes for 20 points (9/15 FG), eight rebounds and five assists. Shorter than advertised and appears to be a bit of a prisoner of gravity, but hard not to like his effort and that statline given he's barely arrived and trained (just one team training and one individual!).

I can see him, Maher and Bruce dishing 4-6 APG each.

He's not a bullet, but he's quick enough to stay in front of Kavossy. He's not tall, but plays big enough to defend a guy like Saville. And he's not a tank, but is strong enough to get inside, score, get boards, etc. Good all-round player.
Should add that Maher, Ballinger and Winitana were good too.

For the Hawks, Dusty went 7/26 FG for 18 and 10 in 28 minutes - had a burst of scoring, but was otherwise limited by Schenscher. Tragardh had the team-high with 20 points (10/21 FG) and played well. I thought Petrie was good for 12 and 7 and Saville was decent too (12 and five). Kavossy had 11 and six assists but five TO. Tait was active even though the stats didn't really show it - seven points and a couple of assists.

[DDFan]

Any guess on crowd numbers? Sadly, I wasn't able to get there. :(
Good signs from what you've said with handy input from everyone. I've gotta confess, I wasn't gushing (apart from Winny & Muzzy) over our clash with the under-manned Tigs, but it looks like things are heading in the right direction. Tinny sounds like the real deal to me, remembering that Jules had skinny legs & no jump-shot. I'm lov'n the pieces Scottie's put together, & time's will make it better.
Someone mentioned on hoops that Aaron was excited at his first side-lined viewing of the boys, & that's a huge plus for me. I was worried that we may've been down on enthusiasm & locker-room buzz with Copes moving on, but it looks like the A+ron's got the Sap factor.
Team happy, DD's happy.

[isaac]

Standing room only. Bar was full, and people were standing around the corners of the court as well. For a pre-season crowd, the atmosphere was much better than the sparse situation at the Dome against the Tigers.

Winitana is the top team man, but Bruce looks to be pretty enthusiastic as well.

[Da Houndawg #55]

My post from Hoops:
Good game and great crowd. The 36ers should run a lot more pre-season games (even if they're intra-team scrimmages) at venues like Pasadena and Wayville to get word out. Could try Starplex too?

Bruce must start. The team built a commanding lead when he was out there (he had 12 points and four assists in just 14 minutes) and then let the Hawks back in when he was off resting the injury.

Schensch was pretty good for 16 points, nine boards and four blocks in under 28 minutes. Still has room to grow into his role, but if he can do anything like that each game, he'll be really useful.

Tyndale played 30 minutes for 20 points (9/15 FG), eight rebounds and five assists. Shorter than advertised and appears to be a bit of a prisoner of gravity, but hard not to like his effort and that statline given he's barely arrived and trained (just one team training and one individual!).

I can see him, Maher and Bruce dishing 4-6 APG each.

He's not a bullet, but he's quick enough to stay in front of Kavossy. He's not tall, but plays big enough to defend a guy like Saville. And he's not a tank, but is strong enough to get inside, score, get boards, etc. Good all-round player.
Should add that Maher, Ballinger and Winitana were good too.

For the Hawks, Dusty went 7/26 FG for 18 and 10 in 28 minutes - had a burst of scoring, but was otherwise limited by Schenscher. Tragardh had the team-high with 20 points (10/21 FG) and played well. I thought Petrie was good for 12 and 7 and Saville was decent too (12 and five). Kavossy had 11 and six assists but five TO. Tait was active even though the stats didn't really show it - seven points and a couple of assists.
Bit surprised to hear that Schenscher was on Rychart and not Tragardh...

[isaac]

Not sure how much time Luke spent on Dusty, but there were definitely a few patches where they matched up. Schensch got stuck switching on to smaller guards quite often, but it was rarely exploited too badly. When he was defending Dusty, Ballinger (I think it was) took Tragardh. Luke smothering Dusty a few times was usually as a result of group pressure in the paint when Dusty would drive in and get stuck against the baseline and had Luke towering over him.

Tyndale is quite interesting. Was nervous early on and is a bit loose with his handle, fumbling it a few times under pressure, but is always looking to push the ball forward and his passing is going to be a big asset I think. Plays some great D on PG-SFs - like I said, covered Kavossy and Saville pretty well. Isn't that tall - close to Maher's height actually. But just got it done without fuss or showmanship will be good to watch. Getting Tyndale and Bruce instead of a top-dollar guy like Hodge will pay off I think.

[Da Houndawg #55]

Not sure how much time Luke spent on Dusty, but there were definitely a few patches where they matched up. Schensch got stuck switching on to smaller guards quite often, but it was rarely exploited too badly. When he was defending Dusty, Ballinger (I think it was) took Tragardh. Luke smothering Dusty a few times was usually as a result of group pressure in the paint when Dusty would drive in and get stuck against the baseline and had Luke towering over him.

Tyndale is quite interesting. Was nervous early on and is a bit loose with his handle, fumbling it a few times under pressure, but is always looking to push the ball forward and his passing is going to be a big asset I think. Plays some great D on PG-SFs - like I said, covered Kavossy and Saville pretty well. Isn't that tall - close to Maher's height actually. But just got it done without fuss or showmanship will be good to watch. Getting Tyndale and Bruce instead of a top-dollar guy like Hodge will pay off I think.
Would have thought we'd play Schensch on Tragardh since he's more of a post guy offensively, Rychart could drag him out high on pick-n-rolls and he'll take some mid-range stuff finding seams. His read and butter is finding seams, which is easier when his opponent is worried about playing weakside help D. Pre-season though, so meh.

I picked Tyndale as DPOY (although in hindsight I'm thinking I should perhaps have given a little more credit to Damien Martin) based on the tidbits I caught from Temple. I'll level and say Temple's not the team I've seen the most games of, but I've seen enough to know he's a quality defensive stopper.

[Voice(s)]

As mentioned in the Dragons thread, they beat the Sixers tonight by 20. All up I think that makes us 1-4 for the pre-season.

Ze boxscore:

http://www.southdragons.com.au/site/_co ... ource.html (http://www.southdragons.com.au/site/_content/document/00006098-source.html)

[Voice(s)]

Boti's interview with Scott Ninnis on the season ahead for his Hang Time segment:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 71,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24315864-5006371,00.html)

[Lethal Vertical]

http://nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75903

Aaron Bruce article- mentions him choosing number 7 due to it's biblical significance! Interesting.

[kc4mvp]

http://nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75903

Aaron Bruce article- mentions him choosing number 7 due to it's biblical significance! Interesting.

Nor realy hes just been in the god fearing US too long

[Poida]

http://nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75903

Aaron Bruce article- mentions him choosing number 7 due to it's biblical significance! Interesting.

Dam I wish Mark Price had a go at recruiting him :lol:

[Voice(s)]

In McQuade's season preview he's got Holmes coming off the bench, I wouldn't have thought that would be likely. Good idea though as it props the bench up slightly and he can't cause as much damage form there.

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=ne ... y&id=75902 (http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=75902)

[Hulk Hogan]

Is David Cooper going to see many minutes? He is on my FNBL roster and I am asking for selfish reasons 8)

[grindog]

Is David Cooper going to see many minutes? He is on my FNBL roster and I am asking for selfish reasons 8)

No doubt he will. Should get 20 minutes a game at least I would think.